how much toe in

[WowixD]

i have destroy extended beams with 14'' king coilovers on my 97 ranger. how much in inches should my front tires be toe'd in? thanks.

[matt_helton]

i think 1/8inch is good.

[beamdream]

Perry has always suggested that I run 1/4 inch toe in. 1/4 --- 1/8 so close to really even tell

[matt_helton]

thanks for setting me straight, craig. my bad. http://www.race-dezert.com/vb3/attachments/old/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

[Kritter]

It should be in degrees.... .25 with 33's is not the same as .25 with 35s etc....

[Jack]

But with bigger tires you need more toe in. so .25 still works

[frankh]

I have always heard it has more to do with top speed then tire size. I have 33' bfg and I set it for 1/8.

[desertracer]

We have 35's on the front of our car and we run 1/8'' of toe in (pretty much what all jimco's run) and it works fine, I'm sure it is even more important on a daily driver though.

[Kritter]

"But with bigger tires you need more toe in. so .25 still works"

if I understand what you are saying...that is exactly why toe is in degrees...then tire size does not matter, but you are correct that the bigger the tire the larger number of inches is required to achive the same degree of toe.

Degrees is exact, toe is ambigous because it is tire dependent is all I am trying to say. Sorry...just wanted to make it clear.

[curt]

OK toe in or toe out....For years we always ran a little bit of toe in for the desert, it's the way I always heard works the best. Patty was complaining that the truck would rotate a little bit at speed on flat out roads and she'd always have to work the wheel to keep it straight but it still left a "skatey" feeling like it wasn't getting into the road. Early this year we heard exactly the opposite, use the 1/8"-1/4" of toe-out so we tried it and the truck feels much more stable at speed and now feels stuck to the road allowing a few more MPH without feeling sketchy. I know what both do but is there a theory why one is good or better than the other? Thanks, Curt

[hoeker]

i'm with curt, let's hear some oppinions on this. all circle track guys run toe in, all street vehicles run some toe in, but minimal. i've heard that toe out is better for the dirt as well. personally i've been running mine near straight but have done some experimenting with toe out. i typically use a 6' pipe off the hubs to check the toe, measuring off the tire is just not accurate enough unless you paint it and scribe a line like the alignment places did before they had computers.

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[FABRICATOR]

The primary, but not only, reason for toe-in on RWD pavement oriented vehicles is to make up for movement of suspension components while braking. (flex steer)

Any dirt oriented vehicle responding well to preset toe-in or toe-out has something in the suspension or steering allowing or causing an undesirable change in toe during suspension travel while under load. (flex and/or bump steer)

[curt]

That really interesting FABRICATOR, the toe-out for us might be of some advantage since the front suspension would already be loaded for going into the braking position. I know there's some slop in the front end. I was thinking for high speed the toe-out might help on the crown roads to keep the truck from climbing the crowns" left and right constantly as traction changed left to right. Of course it's just a not very educated guess on my part...Curt

[silverstateracer]

Isn't the toe-in/toe-out question reliant on camber? On a parallel beam car you can dance around + , 0,- toe and not seem to have that much effect, whereas you try that with a non parallel beam car and it seems much twitchier on fast loose stuff with toe-out. I would think that camber change would be one of the biggest differences between the two. Then again this was done on a dry lake with just a minor set of ruts.

[Billy_the_Kid]

We always ran 1/8" toe out on our late model stock car. We built a big huge caliper to slide under the car to measure with, and always went off the edge of the wheel itself. We also had zero ackerman.