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pjc
July 8th, 2008, 22:13
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080708/wl_nm/mexico_graves_dc

By Gerardo Torres Tue Jul 8, 7:23 PM ET



ATOYAC DE ALVAREZ, Mexico (Reuters) - Forensics experts began digging for secret graves on an army base in southwestern Mexico this week to find proof of government atrocities during the country's 1970s 'dirty war.'

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Using high-tech scanners, picks and shovels, they searched for bodies of community leaders who were abducted by soldiers, taken to the isolated base at the Pacific town of Atoyac de Alvarez in Guerrero state and never heard from again.


Human rights advocates said it was the first time dirty war excavations have taken place at a Mexican military base.


The team is headed by Argentine experts with experience digging up evidence from that nation's dirty war.


Atoyac de Alvarez was the base of an armed guerrilla movement in the 1970s, and some 470 people "disappeared" from the town when security forces and senior government officials crushed leftists and students.


Survivors hope that finding the remains of their loved ones will lead to some sort of justice.


"They say the bones talk. The bones will tell us what happened to them; they will tell us if they were tortured," said Tita Radilla, whose father Rosendo was a community leader in Atoyac before he was arrested.


"I know my father was at the military base. Witnesses who were there saw him, but they never saw him leave," she said.


Rosendo, who built schools and medical clinics in Atoyac de Alvarez and briefly served as mayor, was arrested by soldiers for composing pro-guerilla songs, said Alejandro Juarez, a spokesman for a rights group who works with Radilla's lawyers.
The excavations could take several weeks as forensic specialists work alongside public prosecutors to scour the base's shooting range, basketball court, wells and latrines for signs of buried remains.


"We have no idea how many bodies could be buried on this military base," Juarez said. "But what we do have are eyewitness accounts from people who were detained on the base and saw farmers, social activists and guerrilla sympathizers getting tortured, killed and buried there."


CLAMPDOWN ON LEFTISTS


The Institutional Revolutionary Party, or PRI, which ruled Mexico for seven decades until 2000, clamped down hard on leftists in the 1960s and 1970s, but few officials were ever prosecuted for their actions.


Some 1,200 people disappeared nationwide, hundreds of them in Guerrero. Prosecutors say the campaign against them was mainly orchestrated by Luis Echeverria, the interior minister from 1964 to 1970 and president from 1970 to 1976.
Radilla's father disappeared in 1974 and she fought for decades to bring his case in front of an international court, putting pressure on the Mexican government to investigate.


The Argentine forensic investigators have an international reputation and are often sent to probe massacre sites around the world, having conducted extensive searches at home.


Echeverria, who painted himself as a leftist, is widely blamed for a 1968 massacre in Mexico City when police opened fire on student protesters, killing hundreds, shortly before the city was due to host the Olympic Games.


Now 86, Echeverria has been living quietly under house arrest in Mexico City since 2005 when prosecutors brought genocide charges against him. He has always denied any charges against him and attempts to bring him to trial have foundered.


"The Mexican government has always been very careful to guard its image as a protector of human rights. That's why not much is known about this time period," said Radilla.


"For us it was a catastrophe," she added.
(Additional reporting and writing by Mica Rosenberg; Editing by Eric Walsh)

TreyP
July 8th, 2008, 22:16
Hmmmm... Aren't you the one that has been claiming that people from outher counties shouldn't throwing stones where they don't live?

pjc
July 8th, 2008, 22:21
Hmmmm... Aren't you the one that has been claiming that people from outher counties shouldn't throwing stones where they don't live?

Yep but, I made a single exception for comparison on Infy's last anti-US post.

TreyP
July 8th, 2008, 22:25
Yep but, I made a single exception for comparison on Infy's last anti-US post.

So once again you show your hypocrisy.:rolleyes:

pjc
July 8th, 2008, 22:25
So once agian you show your hypocrisy.:rolleyes:

When have I showed hypocrisy prior?

Links please.

TreyP
July 8th, 2008, 22:31
When have I showed hypocrisy prior?

Links please.

Oh hell this could take me days and just about everyone of your posts.

Let's start with your latest just for kicks and giggles.....

http://www.race-dezert.com/forum/showthread.php?t=46263

pjc
July 8th, 2008, 22:47
Oh hell this could take me days and just about everyone of your posts.

Let's start with your latest just for kicks and giggles.....

http://www.race-dezert.com/forum/showthread.php?t=46263

Man you really are dense? Too many diggers on the dirtbike perhaps?

Key on "prior".

TreyP
July 8th, 2008, 22:50
Man you really are dense? Too many diggers on the dirtbike perhaps?

Key on "prior".

Key on "reality"....something you have a hard time with.

pjc
July 8th, 2008, 22:54
Key on "reality"....something you have a hard time with.

How's that? Please explain?

Fact, I took a liberty to put the history of very radical, human rights violation in Mexico in Infy's face.

You claim it's an incident of my repeated hypocrisy. I say your full of crap and challenged you to provide links and prior reference. You can't.

TreyP
July 8th, 2008, 22:58
How's that? Please explain?

Fact, I took a liberty to put the history of very radical, human rights violation in Mexico in Infy's face.

You claim it's an incident of my repeated hypocrisy. I say your full of crap and challenged you to provide links and prior reference. You can't.

That you can't see the hypocrisy is not my failing only yours.

pjc
July 8th, 2008, 23:03
That you can't see the hypocrisy is not my failing only yours.

Nope, you made the claim buckwheat not show us the substance.

TreyP
July 8th, 2008, 23:04
Nope, you made the claim buckwheat not show us the substance.

Showing your true self ?

Infidel Racing Team
July 8th, 2008, 23:18
Hey I dont mind at all....On the contrary, I wish PJC would throw more Mexico threads so I could discuss with him in the same way I discuss any subject.

Yes, Mexico has a BAD record in human rights.

Our politicians do not know decency. Not long ago, you would fear for your life and those of your loved ones if you dared speak your mind in public.....Needless to say, at my age 38, I never were politically opinionated at age 6, but I once did something I got my arse in trouble during President Zedillo mandate.

I will be candid by saying that in Mexico the law is an entrepreneurial activity, you are sometimes worse if you end in the police hands......That is a fact.

I once was told something by a good gringo friend of mine, he said: "If Mexico is ever going to change it will be because of people of your generation, the ones who speak english and actually can do something about this corruption...."

I felt honored, but later I thought....He is wrong, People like me, who try to work hard and earn money the old fashion way, spend way to much energy trying to survive the system, we eventually learn to work it and at the end, the last thing you want is to change it because you spend so much effort learning it and working it, that you dont want anything to change.

This is a vicious cycle in which I dont think we will come out anytime soon.....as far as those pools of dead people, I assure you they probably were tortured and killed for far lesser things than expressing their opinions.

On the bright side, Mexico has gradually improved since those days. But new problems have also arise.

I find being realistic about one's country helps realize the real problems. Still, I love Mexico and although I own a house in the states, I spend 95% of my time in Mexico......and for the record, I do love your precious country as well. Although my language skills are not up to par, I consider myself bi-cultural

Thanks for your post, I enjoy subjects like this

Infidel Racing Team
July 8th, 2008, 23:45
For the Record, I will be in Phoenix the next 48hrs, so I will probably not be able to answer any thread, but I hope this thread is still alive when I come back so we can further discuss it

5racer
July 8th, 2008, 23:52
you guys need your own web site plsssssssssssssssssss

randy s
July 9th, 2008, 02:22
i think it's ok for someone who's hardly ever right to say he's not a hypocrite. why the h-ll not?. what difference does it make?

pjc
July 9th, 2008, 07:07
i think it's ok for someone who's hardly ever right

Randy, show me in my posts where I am "hardly ever right". Let's base it on fact now and not your opinion. By your analogy there should be a long list.

Go for it.

pjc
July 9th, 2008, 07:09
Thanks for your post, I enjoy subjects like this

Good! I am not looking for them. This one was a headline on the Yahoo News page last night.

Chase 2
July 9th, 2008, 11:07
So, I see that FLY & I have been replaced with the pjc & TreyP show. LOL However, you guys are lacking in the entertainment department so please step it up, would you?

dan200
July 9th, 2008, 13:29
So, I see that FLY & I have been replaced with the pjc & TreyP show. LOL However, you guys are lacking in the entertainment department so please step it up, would you?

I knew deep down you missed FLY, LOL:rolleyes: