How Liberals Think

[pappawheely]

This is quite long but worth listening to.

YouTube - HERITAGE FOUNDATION: "How Modern Liberals Think"

[scott-dsms]

Great Post PappaWheely - I'm only 12 min into it - Can't wait to hear what else this guy has to say...The truth will set you free (and make you laugh sometimes too!)

[Infidel Racing Team]

...The truth will set you free .........

In the context it was put I cant help but think of the German Slogan "Arbeit Macht Frei" (Work will set you free) Outside each concentration camp......

http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:Z4ctDsw261ts5M:http://lalibertadylaley.files.wordpress.com/2008/04/arbeit-macht-frei.jpg

[scott-dsms]

In the context it was put I cant help but think of the German Slogan "Arbeit Macht Frei" (Work will set you free) Outside each concentration camp......

http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:Z4ctDsw261ts5M:http://lalibertadylaley.files.wordpress.com/2008/04/arbeit-macht-frei.jpg

Infidel - What does that have to do with anything I said? Why would you equate my comment with something from Nazi Germany? :confused: I'm not following you. Is this a thread hijack and I'm helping you? Did you watch the clip? Is this guy a nazi too? He makes perfect sense to people that think. It's called rational thought. A quality that many do not have. Refute what he is saying...You can't.

[Infidel Racing Team]

Infidel - What does that have to do with anything I said? Why would you equate my comment with something from Nazi Germany? :confused: I'm not following you. Is this a thread hijack and I'm helping you? Did you watch the clip? Is this guy a nazi too? He makes perfect sense to people that think. It's called rational thought. A quality that many do not have. Refute what he is saying...You can't.

Geeeez, people here cant put 1+1 together....No one called anyone a Nazi, the statement was Truth will set you free, right?

Truth in such a subjective matter is in the eye of the beholder, no one posses the absolute truth, would you agree?

A grotesque and over exagerated example of this was the notorious "Arbeit macht frei" which was a deception, yet gave hope....to the doomed

My statement was aimed at the subjectivity of the matter, no subtle, explicit or implicit sinister parallels were dawned by me by using the above example.

Got it?, Now It was not a thread hijack, I was just saying what you perceive as truth it may not either be either emancipatory or absolute.

After that clarification I hope you see the statement was in sync with the thread and not inflammatory by nature. Thanks

[pappawheely]

Truth in such a subjective matter is in the eye of the beholder, no one posses the absolute truth, do you follow?



In the eyes of a liberal maybe. You really need to watch that video.

[scott-dsms]

Geeeez, people here cant put 1+1 together....No one called anyone a Nazi, the statement was Truth will set you free, right?

Truth in such a subjective matter is in the eye of the beholder, no one posses the absolute truth, would you agree?

A grotesque and over exagerated example of this was the notorious "Arbeit macht frei" which was a deception, yet gave hope....to the doomed

My statement was aimed at the subjectivity of the matter, no subtle, explicit or implicit sinister parallels were dawned by me by using the above example.

Got it?, Now It was not a thread hijack, I was just saying what you perceive as truth it may not either be either emancipatory or absolute.

After that clarification I hope you see the statement was in sync with the thread and not inflammatory by nature. Thanks

Sheesh Infidel I was just asking where the Nazi stuff was coming from. Truth is not in the eye of the beholder. Truth is absolute that is why it is called truth. You can plant corn and wait for apples but it aint gonna happen. Denial of truth does not make it any less true. If you don't believe me then find a tall building and jump off - The truth is... you will fall. Thanks and have a great day buddy:D

p.s. and stop with the obscure references to make a point...and 1+1 = 2 (truth)

[dan200]

Godwin's law
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Godwin's Law (also known as Godwin's Rule of Nazi Analogies)[1] is an adage formulated by Mike Godwin in 1990. The law states:[2][3]

"As a Usenet discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches one."

Godwin's Law is often cited in online discussions as a caution against the use of inflammatory rhetoric or exaggerated comparisons, and is often conflated with fallacious arguments of the reductio ad Hitlerum form.

The rule does not make any statement whether any particular reference or comparison to Hitler or the Nazis might be appropriate, but only asserts that one arising is increasingly probable. It is precisely because such a comparison or reference may sometimes be appropriate, Godwin has argued[4] that overuse of Nazi and Hitler comparisons should be avoided, because it robs the valid comparisons of their impact. Although in one of its early forms Godwin's Law referred specifically to Usenet newsgroup discussions,[5] the law is now applied to any threaded online discussion: electronic mailing lists, message boards, chat rooms, and more recently blog comment threads and wiki talk pages.

Godwin's law is a specific example of a more general principle that also appears to be true.

"As a Usenet discussion grows longer, the probability of any comparison of any given group to another approaches one."

This law, and Godwin's Law, is supported rationally by acceptance of the fact that, the longer a conversation takes place, the more likely any given idea is to be brought up.

[Infidel Racing Team]

In the eyes of a liberal maybe. You really need to watch that video.

I am now in minute 15:00. I will watch it all , I promise. From what I gather there is an intelligent well versed man, who seems center right in his views attacking the radical left.

Every time you get a sensible and eloquent person attacking radicalism or fundamentalism you will get a bunch of common sense......I agree with many things he said so far, but I have to differ on his analysis of Lennon's song Imagine....

I will do a little background so you know where I am coming from:

Due to the fact we evolved from primates, (some here will contest this, no doubt) we have acquired several social particularities that have been proven to be successful in our development as a species.....

To be particular, the need to belong into a group and a contempt for others. This is observed in many high primates, not excluding man.....in the infancy of our species this was a key element for survival, a Darwinist form of collective survival of our genes.....
Still those traits are present in all of us, (nationalism, religion, race,etc). If we are to get into the next step we have to destroy these walls that separate human beings.

What John Lennon tried to say IMHO is bring those walls down, we humans are one.....
Maybe an idealistic view, yet it is a necessary condition to take the next step as a species.

I will keep seeing the video, is quite a good find, thanks

[scott-dsms]

Due to the fact we evolved from primates, (some here will contest this, no doubt) we have acquired several social particularities that have been proven to be successful in our development as a species.....


FACT? You must know something the rest of us don't. Did we miss the meeting where Darwin's THEORY of evolution was proven? Are you in FACT the missing link that science has been searching for that proves this? If not then quit peddling theories as FACT please, you forward thinking, progressive thinker you. :rolleyes:

[Infidel Racing Team]

FACT? You must know something the rest of us don't. Did we miss the meeting where Darwin's THEORY of evolution was proven? Are you in FACT the missing link that science has been searching for that proves this? If not then quit peddling theories as FACT please, you forward thinking, progressive thinker you. :rolleyes:

Let me ask something Scott, Are you one of those Intelligent Design followers?

Evolution ranks as a theory as gravitational theory does. Actually everything we know as humans ranks as a theory, nothing in layman terms has been proven an absolute, check it out....It will be a moot point to argue this if you subscribe to I.D, which by the way is NOT a theory. Even in Mexico evolution is taught in high school, do you guys have it in the High school curriculum?



The scientific definition of the word "theory" is different from the colloquial sense of the word. Colloquially, "theory" can mean a conjecture, an opinion, or a speculation that does not have to be based on facts or make testable predictions. In science, the meaning of theory is more rigorous: a theory must be based on observed facts and make testable predictions.


In science, a current theory is a theory that has no equally acceptable alternative theory, and has survived attempts at falsification. That is, there have been no observations made which contradict it to this point and, indeed, every observation ever made either supports the current theory or at least does not falsify it. A revision of the current theory, or the generation of a new theory is necessary if new observations contradict the current theory, as the current findings are in need of a new explanation (see scientific revolution or paradigm shift). However, the falsification of a theory does not falsify the facts on which the theory is based.

[scott-dsms]

Let me ask something Scott, Are you one of those Intelligent Design followers?

Evolution ranks as a theory as gravitational theory does. Actually everything we know as humans ranks as a theory, nothing in layman terms has been proven an absolute, check it out....It will be a moot point to argue this if you subscribe to I.D, which by the way is NOT a theory. Even in Mexico evolution is taught in high school, do you guys have it in the High school curriculum?


How can you say that everything we know as humans is theory, that there are NO absolutes? Sounds like the mindset of the folks the guy in the video is talking about. That mindset is what makes this discussion MOOT. I can name several absolutes in this world. Like if you take a long walk off a short pier you will fall (Gravitational fact NOT theory) and get wet (Absolute (water=wet))

For the record...I believe God created the Heavens and the Earth and all things in them. I also believe that God created things to evolve as part of that design. so, I guess that is what you mean by Intelligent design (ID)

Sorry PappaWheely for getting on here with Mr. Infidel - I will stop now - Toodles

p.s. Infidel - You're avatar keeps staring at me...buggin...Let the man rest in peace would'ya:D

[Infidel Racing Team]

How can you say that everything we know as humans is theory, that there are NO absolutes? Sounds like the mindset of the folks the guy in the video is talking about. That mindset is what makes this discussion MOOT. I can name several absolutes in this world. Like if you take a long walk off a short pier you will fall (Gravitational fact NOT theory) and get wet (Absolute (water=wet))

For the record...I believe God created the Heavens and the Earth and all things in them. I also believe that God created things to evolve as part of that design. so, I guess that is what you mean by Intelligent design (ID)

Sorry PappaWheely for getting on here with Mr. Infidel - I will stop now - Toodles

p.s. Infidel - You're avatar keeps staring at me...buggin...Let the man rest in peace would'ya:D


George can be 6 weeks my avatar courtesy of the house...LOL (remember his 6 week joke?)

Technically I am right on my statements on absolutes, check it out yourself. Gravity is still a theory on the scientific sense, not the colloquial, all the facts and observations are concurrent with gravitational theory, there is not one single instance where an observation has contradicted theory....In that same scientific sense Evolution is a theory....(Underline Theory in the scientific way, not the colloquial term).Read the description of theory in my previous post

Your previous assumptions on absolutes are based on your senses, this is probably not the best way to go, since there was a time Earth seemed flat to our senses, to later learn we are spinning in a round rock at 1000 mph in an obscure mediocre place of the universe where everything that surrounds us is speeding away at a very fast rate....that is mind boggling....

As far as Intelligent Design, If you are not familiar with the term chances are you are not aware of the proposition itself and what Christian Fundamentalists are trying to push as an "alternative" to Evolution in the classrooms .

I will not debate your view on God or what ever deity you might prefer as I think that is something between you and him/her/it.

[nimrod]

God likes Tacos....How else could you possibly explain the fact that Taco Bell is still in business......

[TreyP]

God likes Tacos....How else could you possibly explain the fact that Taco Bell is still in business......

I think Lucifer has a hand in that.

[Infidel Racing Team]

I think Lucifer has a hand in that.

I bet he likes 'em, he seldom complaints...except when I put too much "Chile".....The next day he will put a memo to remind me:D

[nimrod]

I think Lucifer has a hand in that.

I thought that was Jack in the Box.....Gotta love those mystery meat taco's. That meat is scarrier than a road side stand in the middle of baja at 1:00 am......

[TreyP]

I thought that was Jack in the Box.....Gotta love those mystery meat taco's. That meat is scarrier than a road side stand in the middle of baja at 1:00 am......

We all know that mystery meat is road kill. It is a Baja legend and well documented on the internet so it must be true.

[pappawheely]

Nice hijack. God likes tacos???????????

[randy s]

God likes Tacos....How else could you possibly explain the fact that Taco Bell is still in business......

i'm with nim on this one. i've always said if it even remotely looks like a taco, i'll eat it. but i've got to say that a place where it's cheaper to eat at than it is to feed your dog must surely be touched by the lords hand.

[pappawheely]

We all know that mystery meat is road kill. It is a Baja legend and well documented on the internet so it must be true.

In some places in the U.S. where deer are abundant they have programs to donate the meat to the needy when a deer is hit and killed.

[pappawheely]

Liberals think democracy has a reset button


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Justin Darr
Justin Darr (http://www.renewamerica.us/columns/darr)
May 29, 2005


A few years back, I was watching my son play little league baseball. This is not the little league you and I might remember where a few of the older kids would pitch to you with the coach standing behind them, but our new liberalized "T-Ball" little league where the kids get to stand up at the plate and cut away at a stationary ball ad infinitum until they hit it and get to run to base. On this day the unthinkable happened. A boy hit the ball, and a player actually caught it, turned and made a strong throw to first base, and to all the parents' shock and joy, the first baseman caught the ball long before the batter reached the bag. Now, back in the days when conservative Neanderthals ruled the Earth, this would have been called an "out." But not so today in America's "enlightened" youth athletic programs. No, this was called a "nothing." The boy was returned to the plate so he could have another chance to bat and achieve the "proper" outcome of him getting to run the bases like everyone else. It is not like they keep score or anything, so who cares?

The problem is that liberals do not confine this reset button mentality to just the activities formerly known as youth competitive sports, but freedom and the democratic process in general.

The European Union is in turmoil because the voters of France have refused to ratify the new EU Constitution in a national referendum. Regardless of analysts' claims that the referendum was more a referendum on Jacques Chirac's Presidency, or that the French public failed to understand the "nuances" of the cumbersome 317 page European Union Constitution, it is entirely possible that the French people do not want to be part of a wider European Union. Who knows, could it be that the French enjoy being French and have no desire to be Greater Europeans?

It really might not matter. Even before the referendum, EU rotating President Jean-Claude Juncker, of Luxembourg, stated that France should re-run their referendum in order to achieve the "right answer" if the voters reject it. Too bad Mr. Juncker did not work for the Al Gore Presidential Campaign, we still might be voting. Since when has the democratic process had a "mulligan clause?" This is a national referendum, not a slice off the tee!

With increasing frequency liberals world wide are seeing when key elements of their agenda are put up for the approval of the electorate, they are soundly defeated. However, instead of accepting the will of the people and trying to find new ideas for a new age, liberals are intent on subverting the democratic process by any means possible. In the liberal mind, the only fair election is the one they win.

Currently, 18 states have passed amendments to their state constitutions defining marriage as a union between a man and woman through state wide referenda. Even in the case of left leaning Oregon, these initiatives were passed in all the states proposing them by huge double digit margins. Unfortunately for the voting public, liberals do not feel that we selected the "right answer" on the same sex marriage issue, so they are seeking to undermine the will of the people with the cooperation of their judicial activist allies in the Courts. In early May, U.S. District Judge Joseph Bataillon struck down the Nebraska defense of marriage amendment because. well because he did not like it, and effectively voided the votes of 70% of Nebraskans who voted in favor of the amendment in 2000. Yet once again, when liberals do not like the results of the democratic process, they seek to hit the reset button, toss the decision aside and go on as though the vote never occurred.

As in international treaties, domestic policy and little league baseball, liberals love freedom and democracy so long as they get to pick the winners. Liberals seek to use the democratic process as a means to affirm what they believe. When it is rejected, they push reality aside and attempt to go on as though they actually won the support of the people. A democracy is only a democracy when the majority of voters decide how they will live their lives. If you are unable to accept this simple fact, and constantly try to undermine the will of the people anytime it is against your opinions, then I do not know if you are a Communist, Fascist, or Autocrat, but you are certainly not an American.

[pappawheely]

:):eek::D

[R_TAYLOR]

prop 187 same **** different judge