What is the breaking point?

[scott-dsms]

At the rate fuel is going and food and everything else, at what point does society start to breakdown? Civil unrest, riots etc...

When trucks stop moving goods and people can't afford to get to work or feed their kids, pay their bills etc...and things just start shutting down. Is a scenario like this on the horizon?

I just find it odd that all of this (fuel, food etc) has happened so quickly, like a perfect storm. Being done on purpose to weaken America. What better way than through economics would it be to take over. What if all hell starts breaking loose here? Think about the implications.

[JENN]

What's crazy is how the cost of everything continues to rise, yet wages are staying the same.

[Bri-Man]

Go Obama!!!!!

[Chase 2]

Sorry but the sky is not falling yet. Things could and will get a lot more expensive before all of the predicted doom occurs.

Being done to weaken America??? Dude, the weak dollar is the root of the problem, America is source of it's own problem. Thanks again GWB.

[klaus]

As long as People watch American Idol and junk, the breaking point is not near.

[Ryan_P]

American's have done it to themselves. It's far too easy to keep up with the Jones' by swiping that credit card and living beyond their means.

Gotta have that new car, bigger house, extra toy. Budget, budget, budget.

[scott-dsms]

Sorry but the sky is not falling yet. Things could and will get a lot more expensive before all of the predicted doom occurs.

Being done to weaken America??? Dude, the weak dollar is the root of the problem, America is source of it's own problem. Thanks again GWB.

I know the sky isn't falling...just wondering what it would take...I guess I'm speaking secifically about OIL and GAS - Those things are sort of the backbone of commerce. And I do agree that alot of people have outspent themselves, obviously. As far as Americans doing it to themselves...how much control does the avg american have over gas and oil prices?

[tkr]

Go Obama!!!!!

What exactly do you think Obama is going to do to help the situation?

[JENN]

American's have done it to themselves. It's far too easy to keep up with the Jones' by swiping that credit card and living beyond their means.

Gotta have that new car, bigger house, extra toy. Budget, budget, budget.

Heck yeah they have! Thank goodness I don't have any of that debt..... Debt free is the way to be!~

[DaveGores]

What exactly do you think Obama is going to do to help the situation?

More regulation and tax increases. How the hell else do you cure a limping economy? :p

[Chase 2]

I know the sky isn't falling...just wondering what it would take...

A lot more than where we are now. People are only starting to cry like little babies, they are going to have to scream like stuck pigs before things start happening. Gas prices are still only inconvenient.


.....how much control does the avg american have over gas and oil prices?

The answer is ZERO. We (the avg. american) never had control and never will.


What about all of that sales tax you pay on gas?? You think the State and local guys aren't enjoying higher gas prices?? Perhaps state and local governments should restrict sales tax on fuel to a flat rate.

[dr shaw6]

What happens when food quits showing up at the stores because of high freight prices due to the fuel cost. People are already taking risks as far a stealing and other small crimes. Ive noticed thieves and other small time crooks are getting more and more brave to get what they want.

My answer...buy Mexican Diesel and load your guns!

[la2baja]

Preface: I am an American but I am not beyond criticizing you and me and in doing so, I am in fact a patriot.

I don't see revolution in the eyes of the American today. I don't see that look because we the people have become fat, slow and dumb animals. We are a new breed of American very much unlike our fore fathers. We have been catered too, over indulgent and basically the spoiled little children of our government. This may turn your stomach. This may completely piss you off. One thing it is unlikely to do... Is get you off your ass to do something about.
You may get all up in arms and give me a little red dot for my reputation. You may even bitterly slam down the rest of the energy drink that sponsors your favorite driver and offer a sharp and boarder line nasty little reply, but shortly after that you'll swap over to the General Discussion section and find some lighter and more appealing reading.
God knows you have enough BS to deal with everyday grinding through your job to get that pay check to slowly divide it up to the evil empire in a far away land to fuel your "American made" (Mexico) SUV. What about the rent/mortgage? That is something else to keep you occupied. Maybe some of you got screwed by buying a home in the last 5 years or so. Damn over inflated market! Damn adjustable interest rates! CNN said everything was looking great! CNBC and FOX concurred. "You'd be a fool not to take advantage right now!" I'm sure I heard them say...
Those credit cards... Oh yes, those companies had these great rates as well. Awesome buying power with no payments til (fill in magically far away future date). "I'd better take advantage and refinance (rack up debt!)" you thought to yourself.
Well... aren't we all in a cozy place now? Record setting foreclosures in Cali and nation wide. People are chapter's 6 though 13 like it is going out of style. Why? Was it George Bush? Was it Saddam? Was it those pesky illegal aliens? Maybe it was even the cartels in Baja? Nope. Our problems stem from you and I! Sucks doesn't it?
We don't so much do what we are told, no one has to bother TELLING us a thing. We are such preprogrammed donkeys that it just has to be suggested. We the people sheepishly do what is suggested. WTF? Did Hitler come bangin on your door and demand your hard earned cash to support Germany's efforts to conquer Europe... Or ELSE!? Nope. So why? Why did so many Americans make the decisions they made that helped get us where we are? The Media fueled by our government and several other markets suggested you would be wise to spend. We have become fat, slow, dumb animals and we are to blame for our lack of processing information for ourselves. Revolt can not be found in such eyes. This is not the species to rise up anymore.

Oh, bye the way... Who do we rise up against? Ourselves? No one forced us to over consume. They merely suggest you should....

[HDRA1]

can you say NAFTA then go from there

[Mike @ pit b]

More regulation and tax increases. How the hell else do you cure a limping economy? :p

How else do ya think a Trillion+ dollar debt is going to go away?

It funny, Conservatives put the country in debt when in office, liberally spending tax dollars on wars and what not.:confused:

And Liberals will do anything to conserve the planet. :confused:

I think a name change is in order.:D:D

Sorry for the hi-jack. Now back to you regularly scheduled banter.:)

Mike

[pjc]

Go Obama!!!!!

Obama will do nothing good for the economy. Never in history has raising taxes solved a thing.

[pjc]

How else do ya think a Trillion+ dollar debt is going to go away?


Undeniably the fix is not raising taxes.

[ndvalium]

What's crazy is how the cost of everything continues to rise, yet wages are staying the same.



Just my opinion but most of the people I know, their wages have decreased. Every business I interact with, even healthcare, are cutting hours and days of operation to save money. Heck, the state of Nevada wants to cut all state workers to 4 days / 8 hours to just come somewhere near a budget. OT vanishes, they encourage early outs without pay - I think many would be happy if there pay was the same.

[ikikazz73]

im just waiting for the hi-jack of a semi of unleaded....

[la2baja]

Just my opinion but most of the people I know, their wages have decreased. Every business I interact with, even healthcare, are cutting hours and days of operation to save money. Heck, the state of Nevada wants to cut all state workers to 4 days / 8 hours to just come somewhere near a budget. OT vanishes, they encourage early outs without pay - I think many would be happy if there pay was the same.

You speak the truth!
I own my bizz so cuts are not a factor but I definetly have to work a lot more hours for the same amount of money! Basically my wages have decreased just in a slightly different format.

[SEANY]

Heck yeah they have! Thank goodness I don't have any of that debt..... Debt free is the way to be!~

No debt is good but I saw this coming about three months ago and bought a little vw car. I added a little debt which I hate but I am actually saving money.

I just hate the feeling of not being able to buy a house due to the people who screwed it up for the rest of us that pay our bills. I understand when times get hard and people lose there house but people have $5000 a month house payments that are interest only and stuff blow my mind and my chances of owning a home myself

[MALIBLOC]

Im with alot of you guys on this topic. Who ever wrote that long story earlier, great jobgo , we're just talking here , no slamming , just talking.

Me, Im in the parts industry, my customer base has gone down drastically, people don't have the money anymore, this last tax season was a joke I wrote exactly half of what I did last year. the only thing I can pride myself on is giving the best customer service and listening to the guy and be there for when he's ready to spend a buck!!
Its hard because I like to sell,sell and sell some more but it's just not even what it used to be. It will get better, but not anytime soon. So Im here , I enjoy my job and I'm not going anywhere soon!!

oh yeah before I got on that tangent,,,I take my lunch every day, I carpool with 2 other guys and I think about where and why I need to drive someplace! Just by taking my lunch Im saving about 300 a month!

and yes Im finally thinking about maybe buying a shotgun, just in case;)
gotta protect the family

[5racer]

and yes Im finally thinking about maybe buying a shotgun, just in case
gotta protect the family

thats probaly the best thing to do .and i dont know about the rest of you but i am realy tired of paying taxes and haveing 90% of it pissed away .if everyone was to stop maybe our "or should i say the goverment" might wise up.they cant put us all in jail they would starve to death.

[la2baja]

Im with alot of you guys on this topic. Who ever wrote that long story earlier, great jobgo , we're just talking here , no slamming , just talking.

Me, Im in the parts industry, my customer base has gone down drastically, people don't have the money anymore, this last tax season was a joke I wrote exactly half of what I did last year. the only thing I can pride myself on is giving the best customer service and listening to the guy and be there for when he's ready to spend a buck!!
Its hard because I like to sell,sell and sell some more but it's just not even what it used to be. It will get better, but not anytime soon. So Im here , I enjoy my job and I'm not going anywhere soon!!

oh yeah before I got on that tangent,,,I take my lunch every day, I carpool with 2 other guys and I think about where and why I need to drive someplace! Just by taking my lunch Im saving about 300 a month!

and yes Im finally thinking about maybe buying a shotgun, just in case;)
gotta protect the family


Sorry not slammin anyone. Written with a sarcastic under tone but does't really read that way. Lecture was not intended. ;)

[glamisrnr]

It's a recession, everyone has everything that they want or need and that makes it so that there is more surplus of everything and stuff is not selling like it used to, I mean look at it next time when your at the store most of the time people aren't buying new things cause they are new and innovative its cause the other one broke or there buying food, and there hasn't been a REALLY big invention or discovery in a long time, when the economy was good was when computers became affordable same when Cell phones became affordable Just my thoughts, give it another couple of years maybe 3 or 4. just my 2 cents on this.

[twillis]

we the people have become fat, slow and dumb animals. We are a new breed of American very much unlike our fore fathers. We have been catered too, over indulgent and basically the spoiled little children of our government.

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Everyone I know has heard the stories from their parents/grandparents/great grandparents about how tough it used to be. One of my grandmothers (at the age of 13) dropped out of school to deliver the mail when her father became very ill. She travelled alone for days at a time, on horseback in the Kentucky countryside. The other contracted to cook meals for a prison road gang cutting dirt roads in the jungles of El Salvador after she lost her own restaurant business (and had to support her 7 kids). THEY DID THESE THINGS BECAUSE THEY HAD TO. The lived in an era when hard work was expected. Farming, blacksmithing, walking to work and school was all the exercise you needed. Look at old photos from before world war two. Notice there were no fat people? No perfectly healthy people begging for change because they couldn't find a job that matched their "lifestyle". No one standing in front of government offices threatening to burn **** down if they didn't get what they want. No one looting or turning over police cars chanting "no justice, no peace". There was no "time outs" for bad behavior in school. No meds for your "condition". No welfare state that encouraged you to not work. No public housing that allowed you to live for free, breed like rats and take zero responsibility for raising your kids. Prisons were not day spas. Crazy people and other freaks of nature were not embraced as "diversity". Teachers taught what was in the textbook, not their own bitter agendas. Kids learned more, studied more, tried harder and respected their teachers. All that with nothing but a book and a pencil. Schools didn't have a sports director or a ten million dollar stadium, all they needed was a bat, ball and a glove. The word "Obesity" did not exist. There were no "disorders". You were healthy, sick, or deceased. Psychiatrists, Psychologists, Counselors, "Life Coaches", and Dr Phil didn't exist. Government was not used to punish the hardworking by bending the rules to favor the lazy and stupid. Immigrants learned to read and write because they came here to be an AMERICAN, not a welfare recipient.

The modern-day American watches 4 hours of mindless television per day, works at a job he hates, whines about his boss and anesthetizes himself at happy hour at the local Chili's while cheering for his favorite sports team.

[Jerry Zaiden]

What exactly do you think Obama is going to do to help the situation?

Good Things
Tax goods that come from China!
Help create more US jobs!
Educate our children!
Give to people who really need help.

Bad Things
Close public land.
Make things hard on business.
Give to to many people who should just get a job.

[Jerry Zaiden]

No debt is good but I saw this coming about three months ago and bought a little vw car. I added a little debt which I hate but I am actually saving money.

I just hate the feeling of not being able to buy a house due to the people who screwed it up for the rest of us that pay our bills. I understand when times get hard and people lose there house but people have $5000 a month house payments that are interest only and stuff blow my mind and my chances of owning a home myself

You will have your chance in 2 years... Just wait!

[SEANY]

You will have your chance in 2 years... Just wait!

Its hard to meet girls with this line, yea i still live with my parents becouse the markets sucks ahahahaha.:D I know just stock pile money untill then.

[tkr]

Good Things
Tax goods that come from China!


Thanks for the reply Jerry.
I guess I'm not very well informed. I didn't know he is hoping to tax goods from China. I agree that would be a good thing if he could get it done. Has he talked about taxing any other countries imports?

[la2baja]

Everyone I know has heard the stories from their parents/grandparents/great grandparents about how tough it used to be. One of my grandmothers (at the age of 13) dropped out of school to deliver the mail when her father became very ill. She travelled alone for days at a time, on horseback in the Kentucky countryside. The other contracted to cook meals for a prison road gang cutting dirt roads in the jungles of El Salvador after she lost her own restaurant business (and had to support her 7 kids). THEY DID THESE THINGS BECAUSE THEY HAD TO. The lived in an era when hard work was expected. Farming, blacksmithing, walking to work and school was all the exercise you needed. Look at old photos from before world war two. Notice there were no fat people? No perfectly healthy people begging for change because they couldn't find a job that matched their "lifestyle". No one standing in front of government offices threatening to burn **** down if they didn't get what they want. No one looting or turning over police cars chanting "no justice, no peace". There was no "time outs" for bad behavior in school. No meds for your "condition". No welfare state that encouraged you to not work. No public housing that allowed you to live for free, breed like rats and take zero responsibility for raising your kids. Prisons were not day spas. Crazy people and other freaks of nature were not embraced as "diversity". Teachers taught what was in the textbook, not their own bitter agendas. Kids learned more, studied more, tried harder and respected their teachers. All that with nothing but a book and a pencil. Schools didn't have a sports director or a ten million dollar stadium, all they needed was a bat, ball and a glove. The word "Obesity" did not exist. There were no "disorders". You were healthy, sick, or deceased. Psychiatrists, Psychologists, Counselors, "Life Coaches", and Dr Phil didn't exist. Government was not used to punish the hardworking by bending the rules to favor the lazy and stupid. Immigrants learned to read and write because they came here to be an AMERICAN, not a welfare recipient.

The modern-day American watches 4 hours of mindless television per day, works at a job he hates, whines about his boss and anesthetizes himself at happy hour at the local Chili's while cheering for his favorite sports team.


Someone delete my first post and just read this one. Hit it on the head!

[dan200]

Someone delete my first post and just read this one. Hit it on the head!
Twillis is eaisly one of the most quotable posters we have. I loved this one too.

[bajatex]

Everyone I know has heard the stories from their parents/grandparents/great grandparents about how tough it used to be. One of my grandmothers (at the age of 13) dropped out of school to deliver the mail when her father became very ill. She travelled alone for days at a time, on horseback in the Kentucky countryside. The other contracted to cook meals for a prison road gang cutting dirt roads in the jungles of El Salvador after she lost her own restaurant business (and had to support her 7 kids). THEY DID THESE THINGS BECAUSE THEY HAD TO. The lived in an era when hard work was expected. Farming, blacksmithing, walking to work and school was all the exercise you needed. Look at old photos from before world war two. Notice there were no fat people? No perfectly healthy people begging for change because they couldn't find a job that matched their "lifestyle". No one standing in front of government offices threatening to burn **** down if they didn't get what they want. No one looting or turning over police cars chanting "no justice, no peace". There was no "time outs" for bad behavior in school. No meds for your "condition". No welfare state that encouraged you to not work. No public housing that allowed you to live for free, breed like rats and take zero responsibility for raising your kids. Prisons were not day spas. Crazy people and other freaks of nature were not embraced as "diversity". Teachers taught what was in the textbook, not their own bitter agendas. Kids learned more, studied more, tried harder and respected their teachers. All that with nothing but a book and a pencil. Schools didn't have a sports director or a ten million dollar stadium, all they needed was a bat, ball and a glove. The word "Obesity" did not exist. There were no "disorders". You were healthy, sick, or deceased. Psychiatrists, Psychologists, Counselors, "Life Coaches", and Dr Phil didn't exist. Government was not used to punish the hardworking by bending the rules to favor the lazy and stupid. Immigrants learned to read and write because they came here to be an AMERICAN, not a welfare recipient.

The modern-day American watches 4 hours of mindless television per day, works at a job he hates, whines about his boss and anesthetizes himself at happy hour at the local Chili's while cheering for his favorite sports team.


Bravo!!!

[TauMau]

Taxing isn't the answer...we need people to start buying again. We also need to cut welfare. I predict we lose social security in the next 10 years as well...don't get overly excited though...you won't all of a sudden pay less taxes every pay check. It will just go somewhere else.

For anyone who is unaware, the government regulates the economy to rise and decline. That's why we have good economic times followed by recessions. It's done in order to prevent a catastrophic plummet such as the Great Depression. It's not a conspiracy nor is it a secret. It'll get better. Even if oil prices continue to rise, we'll find our alternative. If there is anything history has taught us it's that mankind will always take advantage of situations such as these. Someone will find an alternative and they will become rich and we will benefit from their discovery.

www.aptera.com
They've got the right idea. Not exactly a complete alternative, but they're moving in the right direction.

[goofballracer]

maybe some more stimulas money.....

[Jerry Zaiden]

Thanks for the reply Jerry.
I guess I'm not very well informed. I didn't know he is hoping to tax goods from China. I agree that would be a good thing if he could get it done. Has he talked about taxing any other countries imports?

My post is more of a Republican vs. Democrat thing.... And Yes a Democrat will Tax all foreign goods more than a Republican....

[Jerry Zaiden]

Taxing isn't the answer...we need people to start buying again. We also need to cut welfare. I predict we lose social security in the next 10 years as well...don't get overly excited though...you won't all of a sudden pay less taxes every pay check. It will just go somewhere else.

For anyone who is unaware, the government regulates the economy to rise and decline. That's why we have good economic times followed by recessions. It's done in order to prevent a catastrophic plummet such as the Great Depression. It's not a conspiracy nor is it a secret. It'll get better. Even if oil prices continue to rise, we'll find our alternative. If there is anything history has taught us it's that mankind will always take advantage of situations such as these. Someone will find an alternative and they will become rich and we will benefit from their discovery.

www.aptera.com
They've got the right idea. Not exactly a complete alternative, but they're moving in the right direction.

I think taxing goods coming into our country will force the cheap Americans to spend more on higher quality. Right now we have less companies producing good in our country because it is cheaper to buy them over seas. The problem is we will lose our ability in a very short time to innovate and design. Also without manufacturing we are owned by the world. When we have our own steel mills we can build things when we need them. When we have our own cement factories we can make what we need. When we produce our own parts we have our own people with jobs!
It is hard to realize what kind of problems we are going to be faced with when we live in SoCal, Las Vegas, AZ because our local economy is still doing ok... Just leave these areas and go to the middle of American and open your eyes! It is going to get bad! But it does not need to. We need to create jobs and produce our own products and lead the world!

[pjc]

My post is more of a Republican vs. Democrat thing.... And Yes a Democrat will Tax all foreign goods more than a Republican....

But Jerry, the Klinton(s) never raised taxes on the Chicoms but did give away our tech and trade secrets.


Remember?

[Infidel Racing Team]

I just met an 89 year old American vet from the Pacific war.....Still sharp and fun person to be around, his house in Kino Bay burned to the ground with all his belongings.

I was amazed how strong this dude is mentally and how this was just another small inconvenience to a man who survived being parachuted hundreds of times over enemy lines.......(he tells many of amazing stories, better than any movie out)

There is something about talking with someone of that generation that makes you wonder why today’s American's cant make the slightest of efforts to become great again.

[TauMau]

I think taxing goods coming into our country will force the cheap Americans to spend more on higher quality. Right now we have less companies producing good in our country because it is cheaper to buy them over seas. The problem is we will lose our ability in a very short time to innovate and design. Also without manufacturing we are owned by the world. When we have our own steel mills we can build things when we need them. When we have our own cement factories we can make what we need. When we produce our own parts we have our own people with jobs!
It is hard to realize what kind of problems we are going to be faced with when we live in SoCal, Las Vegas, AZ because our local economy is still doing ok... Just leave these areas and go to the middle of American and open your eyes! It is going to get bad! But it does not need to. We need to create jobs and produce our own products and lead the world!

I agree with you. Though outsourcing pushes America out of the blue collar and into a white one, it causes us to rely heavily on other countries as well as forces very tough times upon the transitional generation (ours). If we continue to allow China to produce imitation products (not quality wise) and sell them for half the price or less to American's untaxed, then we'll soon see their country pass us on the way side as they move up to being the new world power.

The problem is that taxing their goods will lead to them taxing our goods, which will lead to tension and all of a sudden we're in a war that started with base line economics. It's very subjective stuff...

[pjc]

There is something about talking with someone of that generation that makes you wonder why today’s American's cant make the slightest of efforts to become great again.

Because you work so damn hard to show blatant disrespect, you get the "JackHole of the day" award!

There are tens of thousands of a "great generation of Americans" putting their lives on the line in the ME right now and even elitist, third world, ingrates like you benefit from it.

[pjc]

If we continue to allow China to produce imitation products (not quality wise) and sell them for half the price or less to American's untaxed, then we'll soon see their country pass us on the way side as they move up to being the new world power.


Nope and that was the same fear mongering about Japan and Taiwan. Both have excellent manufacturing but both have a mediocre track on true innovation which the US leads on decade after decade, hands down.

In respect to China, as you mention they "copy" our designs, everything from Cisco routers, and telephone switching equipment to designer jeans. And most of it sucks.

Sure, they will continue to improve their QNA and at the same time we will continue to innovate, which they will again copy.

Now, if they somehow sneak into Area 51 to get the goods on the LGM rides then I'll be concerned.

[Infidel Racing Team]

Because you work so damn hard to show blatant disrespect, you get the "JackHole of the day" award!

There are tens of thousands of a "great generation of Americans" putting their lives on the line in the ME right now and even elitist, third world, ingrates like you benefit from it.

Look man, just because your impotent, have grey hair in your nuts and your life sucks you dont have to take it on me :D

I like Joe Rogan's approach to aholes like you....If you are so brave , then f' enlist and STFU. People like you should be patrolling Bagdad...on foot and a bb gun :mad:

No need for a draft, no need to take the life of a 20 year old with a future....there are plenty of you Old useless MOFOs like you that should go wage this war.

Do your country a favor and enlist....Meanwhile enjoy your E-thug award....I might not be as brave as that WWII hero, but I certainly wouldnt take any crap from dumb arses like you

[dislocated1]

As long as People watch American Idol and junk, the breaking point is not near.



So true...... TV is doing it's part to turn society into drones..... When do we decide enough is enough? I struggle with this on a daily basis. I am fed up with so much around me, but it is so much easier to head in the sand, drink a beer and just say f-it!!! Gas prices suck, so much in fact I ride my bike 25 miles round trip three days a week to work..... gonna step up to five as soon as I stop hittin that snooze button so much

[MALIBLOC]

I heard that 2 out of three contanier go back to China with recyables ( spelling I know)
paper , trash and of course all of our steel that we buy back!!!!

Oh yeah guys go fight on dezertrangers with the little kids, no-one wants to read through a arguement here!!! This has turned into a great topic, don't ruin it!

[pjc]

Look man, just because your impotent,

Keep up your BS Gustavo, it gets you nowhere but with a thicker paint of the anti-US, third world, ingrate, elitist that you are.

I'd like to see you make the pathetic attempt to pop up the balls to tell one of our service people that they haven't the spine or fortitude to live up to or surpass the efforts of their grand parents.

Seriously jackhole, often your BS makes me sick and angry! Thank God you have no effect whatsoever on the path of my great country.

[Infidel Racing Team]

I heard that 2 out of three contanier go back to China with recyables ( spelling I know)
paper , trash and of course all of our steel that we buy back!!!!



I was looking for a Bridgeport or similar lathe for my home shop.....There is nothing made in the USA anymore....everything is older than the 80's

I ended up buying an ENCO, its ok , but I was hoping more quality

[Infidel Racing Team]

Keep up your BS Gustavo, it gets you nowhere but with a thicker paint of the anti-US, third world, ingrate, elitist that you are.

I'd like to see you make the pathetic attempt to pop up the balls to tell one of our service people that they haven't the spine or fortitude to live up to or surpass the efforts of their grand parents.

Seriously jackhole, often your BS makes me sick and angry! Thank God you have no effect whatsoever on the path of my great country.

Pathetic attempt to throw a smoke curtain at my statements....

Scotty belongs to "America's greatest generation" (http://carol_fus.tripod.com/) those words are commonly used for those who fought in WWII.

I admire the guy and he is my personal friend, I like to socialize and befriend people who are worthy, even if they think very differently than me.....That is why I would never befriend a jackhole like you.

You hide your personal insults behind patriotic rhetoric. I would gladly kick your ass in a charity event....To show my appreciation I would chose a charity based on US Vets, anyone care to organize it?

[racer951]

What's crazy is how the cost of everything continues to rise, yet wages are staying the same.

I hear that a lot, but why would wages increase when businesses are losing money and people getting laid off? It's not the lack of wage increase, it's the rapid increase in cost of consumable goods.

[pjc]

Pathetic attempt to throw a smoke curtain at my statements....


Fine, let's re-visit your repulsive remark again. You said "There is something about talking with someone of that generation that makes you wonder why today’s American's cant make the slightest of efforts to become great again."

Now let's compare you against the vast American subscriber base of this forum. Without question we have the class to not ever log onto a Mexico based forum and crap in your living room yet, you do it time and time again with repulsive, elitist, anti-US rhetoric that is always backed by repulsive, disingenuous diversions and back peddling when I call you on it.

You owe every American on this forum an apology. I doubt we'll get one.


I would gladly kick your ass in a charity event....

And here we go again. You come in and insult almost every living American and then spew out your macho man threats when you are called on your dispicable and self centered crap.

Take a break Gustavo.

[Infidel Racing Team]

Fine, let's re-visit your repulsive remark again. You said "There is something about talking with someone of that generation that makes you wonder why today’s American's cant make the slightest of efforts to become great again."

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I stand by my words …..This is an opinion that I share with Scotty…..He will be the 1st one to say that he has been forced out of the USA to live in Mexico because he cant afford it….He is a man who has enough credential and who I respect so much his words are enough for me.



Without question we have the class to not ever log onto a Mexico based forum and crap in your living room yet……….
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Face it, if you don’t do it it is not because you are a classy guy, you wouldn’t know class if it came and slapped you in the face…..its because your Spanish is so screwed up it is only good enough for “Dos cervezas por favor”



You owe every American on this forum an apology. I doubt we'll get one.
And here we go again. You come in and insult almost every living American and then spew out your macho man threats when you are called on your dispicable and self centered crap.
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There you go…hiding behind the crowd…..step up and be a ef’ ing man….This has nothing to do with anyone one BUT YOU.

I am calling your sorry ass out. Don’t hide and try to get sympathy among our colleagues, who they know me already and although I might be controversial to say the least I have always expressed my highest respect for your country…Why do you think I am fluent in your language?.....they know it, so spare us.

There are not many elitist third world persons as you call me who have completed and served a full year of an ROTC program in the USA as I have……I bet you I have served more time in your military than you have.

Call me if you ever man up to your insults......

[Big Hock]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ec/Popcornmaker.jpg/450px-

[AzBajaman]

Thought you might need this.........

[pjc]

Face it, if you don’t do it it is not because you are a classy guy, you wouldn’t know class if it came and slapped you in the face…..its because your Spanish is so screwed up it is only good enough for “Dos cervezas por favor”


It has nothing to do with language. It's all about your lack of ethics and your rank arrogance.


There you go…hiding behind the crowd…..step up and be a ef’ ing man….This has nothing to do with anyone one BUT YOU.


No Gustavo, this is about your general insult. Either you are man enough to admit a mistake or you are clearly intentional in your disdain for Americans.

What is it?


I am calling your sorry ass out.


Your macho-man act won't work here. We tend to battle with wits first. It's the civilized thing to do.


I have always expressed my highest respect for your country…Why do you think I am fluent in your language?


Why? Because your upper class family had the wisdom to send you to US schools, that's why!

Again, if you really think well of Americans you'd apologize immediately for your slander of all of us and especially our fighting men and women with their lives on the line.


There are not many elitist third world persons as you call me who have completed and served a full year of an ROTC program in the USA as I have……I bet you I have served more time in your military than you have.


It's not about you stint in ROTC, it's about your clear, stark disdain for Americans as clearly defined in the statement you will not retract or apologize for.


Call me if you ever man up to your insults......

Gustavo, get is straight, it is you that insults us and it is you that insults the good and strong majority of the people of your country that would never come to the US (in a virtual sense) to crap in our living room.

[5racer]

Pathetic attempt to throw a smoke curtain at my statements....

Scotty belongs to "America's greatest generation" (http://carol_fus.tripod.com/) those words are commonly used for those who fought in WWII.

I admire the guy and he is my personal friend, I like to socialize and befriend people who are worthy, even if they think very differently than me.....That is why I would never befriend a jackhole like you.

You hide your personal insults behind patriotic rhetoric. I would gladly kick your ass in a charity event....To show my appreciation I would chose a charity based on US Vets, anyone care to organize it?



your getting a little old with your post almost like your programed as to what you say and how you say it ,not only this post but all the others ,pls give it a rest for a bit thank you

[Infidel Racing Team]

It has nothing to do with language. It's all about your lack of ethics and your rank arrogance.

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Yes it does…..The fact is that you cover with false courtesy your ignorance



No Gustavo, this is about your general insult. Either you are man enough to admit a mistake or you are clearly intentional in your disdain for Americans.

What is it?

Your macho-man act won't work here. We tend to battle with wits first. It's the civilized thing to do.




No, this about you and me….Just earlier today I asked you in a very courteous manner to stop your insults and abrasive post towards me:

http://www.race-dezert.com/forum/showpost.php?p=470709&postcount=17

I even showed respect.

Today you came back with uncalled insults…..I wont take crap from you old man.
There is a real person behind every nickname in this forum, this is a tight community and we most likely bump into each other…..Why is it necessary to be such an ass?



It's not about you stint in ROTC, it's about your clear, stark disdain for Americans as clearly defined in the statement you will not retract or apologize for.
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My disdain is to you, your arrogance transcends cultures.

[pjc]

Yes it does…..The fact is that you cover with false courtesy your ignorance

Your arrogance to prop up such a wild diversion is truly amazing. Let me break it down further so you can make a bigger fool of yourself.

1) It is not about "language".
2) It is about respect. You feel you can insult all Americans without reprise. That is arrogance void of respect.
3) I do not go into Mexico based forums served in English or Spanish to act the way you do.


Today you came back with uncalled insults…..


You bet! Whenever you spew your anti-US crap, I'll call you on it.


There is a real person behind every nickname in this forum, this is a tight community and we most likely bump into each other…..Why is it necessary to be such an ass?


All you need to do is apologize. The ball is in your court.

[dan200]

"There is something about talking with someone of that generation that makes you wonder why today’s American's cant make the slightest of efforts to become great again."


I take serious offense to this comment. :mad::mad::mad::mad: You have no idea what it is like to be an American today. To think that you do would be idiotic. It is not your culture. Sometimes you shed some interesting perspective on America and I welcome it. This is not one of those times.

[JRod]

No debt is good but I saw this coming about three months ago and bought a little vw car. I added a little debt which I hate but I am actually saving money.

I just hate the feeling of not being able to buy a house due to the people who screwed it up for the rest of us that pay our bills. I understand when times get hard and people lose there house but people have $5000 a month house payments that are interest only and stuff blow my mind and my chances of owning a home myself

You will have your chance in 2 years... Just wait!

I am curious- What is keeping people with good credit from getting houses?

Jerry, what do you think will happen in the next two years to change that?

[Infidel Racing Team]

No, I stand on my words that never has there ever been a greater generation of Americans as Scotty's.....The generation who fought in WWII is in my opinion the best ever.

What they had to go through as a united country behind a common effort is outstanding......Even women and children were behind their troops in a just fight. People sacrificed a lot for the sake of something bigger than themselves.
Try to tell young people they give up their cell phone for the sake of common good….good luck.

You should even be ashamed a war hero like Scotty is living in Mexico because he can’t afford to live out of his pension in the US.......Fortunately he is now well taken care of.

So, I won’t apologize for my words….I am a man who knows when to apologize when I am wrong….this is not one of those times. I am entitled to my opinion which by the way is shared by many Americans living now

[Infidel Racing Team]

"There is something about talking with someone of that generation that makes you wonder why today’s American's cant make the slightest of efforts to become great again."


I take serious offense to this comment. :mad::mad::mad::mad: You have no idea what it is like to be an American today. To think that you do would be idiotic. It is not your culture. Sometimes you shed some interesting perspective on America and I welcome it. This is not one of those times.

Sorry that you think that way....but I see no offense on my commentary.

Please let me know how is this generation greater than the one who fought WWII?

Maybe you could change my mind.....so far I dont see it....do you?

[dan200]

Sorry that you think that way....but I see no offense on my commentary.

Please let me know how is this generation greater than the one who fought WWII?

Maybe you could change my mind.....so far I dont see it....do you?

Please tell me why you feel qualified to speak as if you know what it is like to be American? I am unsure of your back round.

[pjc]

I am curious- What is keeping people with good credit from getting houses?


Caution!

I think most are waiting for the absolute bottom. Once that tipping point is met, there will be a small rush.

[pjc]

Please tell me why you feel qualified to speak as if you know what it is like to be American? I am unsure of your back round.

Dan, In a country with stark class division, Gustavo is of the .5%, upper class in Mexico. His "well to do" family sent him to the US for schooling. He is a typical upper class liberal, steeped with arrogance and guilt. Of course there are tons of worthy issues to devote time to in his own country to better the other 99.5% of the populace but, he'd rather come to a US based, English speaking message board to insult us.

[troyharper]

THOUGHT FOR THE DAY
OPEC sells oil for $136.00 a barrel.

OPEC nations buy U.S. grain at $7.00 a bushel.

Solution: Sell grain for $136.00 a bushel.

Can't buy it? Tough! Eat your oil!

Only then, will oil come down!

[woundedyak]

I think taxing goods coming into our country will force the cheap Americans to spend more on higher quality. Right now we have less companies producing good in our country because it is cheaper to buy them over seas. The problem is we will lose our ability in a very short time to innovate and design. Also without manufacturing we are owned by the world. When we have our own steel mills we can build things when we need them. When we have our own cement factories we can make what we need. When we produce our own parts we have our own people with jobs!
It is hard to realize what kind of problems we are going to be faced with when we live in SoCal, Las Vegas, AZ because our local economy is still doing ok... Just leave these areas and go to the middle of American and open your eyes! It is going to get bad! But it does not need to. We need to create jobs and produce our own products and lead the world!

Good Point! I hear about it all the time living in "middle America." Indiana use to be one of the biggiest Manufacturing states in the nation. Auto,military,steel,Auido,ect.... Now, there is literly dozens of huge manufacturing plants sitting vacant. People who been with these companys for 25-30yrs plus getting let go with highway robbery pension plans. Everyone talks about "lets bring the manufacturing back to America!" Which we know that will never happen. It just kills me that it's cheaper to build a TV 4000 miles away. Put it on a boat. Float it for a month. let it sit in customs for two weeks. Drive it 400 miles to best buy,then build it down the street!

[Infidel Racing Team]

Please tell me why you feel qualified to speak as if you know what it is like to be American? I am unsure of your back round.


Dan,

Holding just citizenship does not qualify anyone to have a credible or interesting opinion.

Having citizenship gives you the RIGHT to speak out your opinion in your own country, even if it is a stupid one. The rules in cyberspace are a bit different…I need not to explain the obvious.
Now, You haven’t answered why do you feel so offended when I state there is no greater generation than the one who fought WWII. If this is blasphemy please enlighten me why your generation is better…..You take offense, it must be so obvious that I am wrong?

In this particular point, I share the same opinion as Scotty (the Pacific Vet) does.

I am very interested in your points….I like to comment them with Scotty, although I kind of already know what he is going to say if I tell him this generation is as great as his….

[Infidel Racing Team]

THOUGHT FOR THE DAY
OPEC sells oil for $136.00 a barrel.

OPEC nations buy U.S. grain at $7.00 a bushel.

Solution: Sell grain for $136.00 a bushel.

Can't buy it? Tough! Eat your oil!

Only then, will oil come down!

The problem is that if the US raises the price of grain unilateraly China and India will step in and fill the void replacing the US grain production, then you will have bankrupt US farmers.

Everybody tries to raise their products as much as they can, until someone else offers them at a lower price.....its called law of supply and demand

[mgobaja]

My guys have had zero OT for the last 6 months. This has made a huge dent in their checks. With construction booming over the last 5 years we had esentially wide open OT, so they were used to having it on there checks. Lots of companies are having people cash out Vacation time, and 401k plans due to financial hardships.

[pjc]

Gustavo, all generations of Americans except the sideshow self indulgent creeps of the Hippie Generation have been and are great. My dad fought in WWII, my 60 year old brother was a rescue helo crewman in Vietname that was shot down and escaped capture in the jungle. My nephew is in Qatar right now. Beyond those sacrifices, Americans of all generations lead the world in innovation and philanthropy and plain giving to just causes across the globe.

If there is natural disaster in your country, you will find the biggest relief effort coming from north of your border, not from China, not from the Euros, not from Russia. America does this as SOP and for the simple sake of humanity, regardless of past or present differences. Our most wealthy people are the biggest givers in the most poverty stricken areas of the world. Can you say that for Carlos Slim?

For you to come from the outside and make some inept attempt to devise our generations on contribution to our national ethics, morality, sacrifice and hard work is simply ridiculous - making you look like a verbose and arrogant fool.

[Jerry Zaiden]

Jerry, what do you think will happen in the next two years to change that?

Well look at it like this... Are we at the bottom? When was the top? I would say the top was in late 2005 and to mid 2006. Now we are seeing the 3, 5, and 7 arms coming up for re-finance. Say most got on the band wagon in 2003-2006. Now we see the 5 year arm loans coming up today that people over paid for the homes in 2003 now people really over paid in 2005-2006. We will see a bigger problem coming for the next 4 years into 2012. This will bring down comps in the area for the home you want to buy.
look at it like this... You bought a new house in 2000 for $400k. Because of people jumping on low interest 3-7 year arms they get a $800k house in 2006 and inflate the prices to 800k-1mil. Well now his loan is up and he need to refinance but can't do it because the banks won't loan to him. He short sales his house for $600k. Well now the comps of his area are lowered at appraisal so now the bank won't loan over $500k. Now the guy who has the same house bought in 2000 for $400k needs to sell he can only sell for 500-600k because that is what the area is going for.
I live in Huntington Beach and bought my first house for 195k in 1998. I watched the same area go up to 750k in 2006 and today it is going for 500k. The homes for 500k are sitting for 30-60 days.... makes you wonder... This info is just my general idea of one factor of what is going on..... Now bring in other factors like a bad economy etc....



I just sold my house last month and am now renting and waiting for 2 years....

This is just my opinion and I hope i am right!

[Infidel Racing Team]

If there is natural disaster in your country, you will find the biggest relief effort coming from north of your border, not from China, not from the Euros, not from Russia. America does this as SOP and for the simple sake of humanity, regardless of past or present differences. .

The effort has been always in both directions….Remember Katrina? Mexico sent an envoy full of humanitarian aid, more was prepared when it was rejected by guess who?


For you to come from the outside and make some inept attempt to devise our generations on contribution to our national ethics, morality, sacrifice and hard work is simply ridiculous - making you look like a verbose and arrogant fool.

Kettle – meet black…..You talking about arrogance, verbosity and foolishness is at best like a donkey talking about ears.

Your rhetoric is demagogic at best…….. It may arouse a momentary cheap thrill of self indulgent patriotism, much a la Hugo Chavez. But it doesn’t address the reality that you can’t ask for any simple sacrifice to this generation without getting tons of whining.

[Dezertpilot]

Everyone I know has heard the stories from their parents/grandparents/great grandparents about how tough it used to be. One of my grandmothers (at the age of 13) dropped out of school to deliver the mail when her father became very ill. She travelled alone for days at a time, on horseback in the Kentucky countryside. The other contracted to cook meals for a prison road gang cutting dirt roads in the jungles of El Salvador after she lost her own restaurant business (and had to support her 7 kids). THEY DID THESE THINGS BECAUSE THEY HAD TO. The lived in an era when hard work was expected. Farming, blacksmithing, walking to work and school was all the exercise you needed. Look at old photos from before world war two. Notice there were no fat people? No perfectly healthy people begging for change because they couldn't find a job that matched their "lifestyle". No one standing in front of government offices threatening to burn **** down if they didn't get what they want. No one looting or turning over police cars chanting "no justice, no peace". There was no "time outs" for bad behavior in school. No meds for your "condition". No welfare state that encouraged you to not work. No public housing that allowed you to live for free, breed like rats and take zero responsibility for raising your kids. Prisons were not day spas. Crazy people and other freaks of nature were not embraced as "diversity". Teachers taught what was in the textbook, not their own bitter agendas. Kids learned more, studied more, tried harder and respected their teachers. All that with nothing but a book and a pencil. Schools didn't have a sports director or a ten million dollar stadium, all they needed was a bat, ball and a glove. The word "Obesity" did not exist. There were no "disorders". You were healthy, sick, or deceased. Psychiatrists, Psychologists, Counselors, "Life Coaches", and Dr Phil didn't exist. Government was not used to punish the hardworking by bending the rules to favor the lazy and stupid. Immigrants learned to read and write because they came here to be an AMERICAN, not a welfare recipient.

The modern-day American watches 4 hours of mindless television per day, works at a job he hates, whines about his boss and anesthetizes himself at happy hour at the local Chili's while cheering for his favorite sports team.

Damn Tom always telling it how it is! This is a wise man:)

[Infidel Racing Team]

Everyone I know has heard the stories from their parents/grandparents/great grandparents about how tough it used to be. One of my grandmothers (at the age of 13) dropped out of school to deliver the mail when her father became very ill. She travelled alone for days at a time, on horseback in the Kentucky countryside. The other contracted to cook meals for a prison road gang cutting dirt roads in the jungles of El Salvador after she lost her own restaurant business (and had to support her 7 kids). THEY DID THESE THINGS BECAUSE THEY HAD TO. The lived in an era when hard work was expected. Farming, blacksmithing, walking to work and school was all the exercise you needed. Look at old photos from before world war two. Notice there were no fat people? No perfectly healthy people begging for change because they couldn't find a job that matched their "lifestyle". No one standing in front of government offices threatening to burn **** down if they didn't get what they want. No one looting or turning over police cars chanting "no justice, no peace". There was no "time outs" for bad behavior in school. No meds for your "condition". No welfare state that encouraged you to not work. No public housing that allowed you to live for free, breed like rats and take zero responsibility for raising your kids. Prisons were not day spas. Crazy people and other freaks of nature were not embraced as "diversity". Teachers taught what was in the textbook, not their own bitter agendas. Kids learned more, studied more, tried harder and respected their teachers. All that with nothing but a book and a pencil. Schools didn't have a sports director or a ten million dollar stadium, all they needed was a bat, ball and a glove. The word "Obesity" did not exist. There were no "disorders". You were healthy, sick, or deceased. Psychiatrists, Psychologists, Counselors, "Life Coaches", and Dr Phil didn't exist. Government was not used to punish the hardworking by bending the rules to favor the lazy and stupid. Immigrants learned to read and write because they came here to be an AMERICAN, not a welfare recipient.

The modern-day American watches 4 hours of mindless television per day, works at a job he hates, whines about his boss and anesthetizes himself at happy hour at the local Chili's while cheering for his favorite sports team.

Exactly my point! Very well written, I hope coming this from a US national it now has credibility......

[dan200]

Dan,

Holding just citizenship does not qualify anyone to have a credible or interesting opinion.

Having citizenship gives you the RIGHT to speak out your opinion in your own country, even if it is a stupid one. The rules in cyberspace are a bit different…I need not to explain the obvious.
Now, You haven’t answered why do you feel so offended when I state there is no greater generation than the one who fought WWII. If this is blasphemy please enlighten me why your generation is better…..You take offense, it must be so obvious that I am wrong?

In this particular point, I share the same opinion as Scotty (the Pacific Vet) does.

I am very interested in your points….I like to comment them with Scotty, although I kind of already know what he is going to say if I tell him this generation is as great as his….

Gustavo, I am not going to be able to comment here until you have explained your back round so that I am comfortable as to why you think you know so much about living in modern America. I wanna learn more about the person I am interacting with before I indulge them. Please allow me this indulgence.

[Infidel Racing Team]

Preface: I am an American but I am not beyond criticizing you and me and in doing so, I am in fact a patriot.

I don't see revolution in the eyes of the American today. I don't see that look because we the people have become fat, slow and dumb animals. We are a new breed of American very much unlike our fore fathers. We have been catered too, over indulgent and basically the spoiled little children of our government. This may turn your stomach. This may completely piss you off. One thing it is unlikely to do... Is get you off your ass to do something about.
You may get all up in arms and give me a little red dot for my reputation. You may even bitterly slam down the rest of the energy drink that sponsors your favorite driver and offer a sharp and boarder line nasty little reply, but shortly after that you'll swap over to the General Discussion section and find some lighter and more appealing reading.
God knows you have enough BS to deal with everyday grinding through your job to get that pay check to slowly divide it up to the evil empire in a far away land to fuel your "American made" (Mexico) SUV. What about the rent/mortgage? That is something else to keep you occupied. Maybe some of you got screwed by buying a home in the last 5 years or so. Damn over inflated market! Damn adjustable interest rates! CNN said everything was looking great! CNBC and FOX concurred. "You'd be a fool not to take advantage right now!" I'm sure I heard them say...
Those credit cards... Oh yes, those companies had these great rates as well. Awesome buying power with no payments til (fill in magically far away future date). "I'd better take advantage and refinance (rack up debt!)" you thought to yourself.
Well... aren't we all in a cozy place now? Record setting foreclosures in Cali and nation wide. People are chapter's 6 though 13 like it is going out of style. Why? Was it George Bush? Was it Saddam? Was it those pesky illegal aliens? Maybe it was even the cartels in Baja? Nope. Our problems stem from you and I! Sucks doesn't it?
We don't so much do what we are told, no one has to bother TELLING us a thing. We are such preprogrammed donkeys that it just has to be suggested. We the people sheepishly do what is suggested. WTF? Did Hitler come bangin on your door and demand your hard earned cash to support Germany's efforts to conquer Europe... Or ELSE!? Nope. So why? Why did so many Americans make the decisions they made that helped get us where we are? The Media fueled by our government and several other markets suggested you would be wise to spend. We have become fat, slow, dumb animals and we are to blame for our lack of processing information for ourselves. Revolt can not be found in such eyes. This is not the species to rise up anymore.

Oh, bye the way... Who do we rise up against? Ourselves? No one forced us to over consume. They merely suggest you should....

Amen to this........People who dont see this are living a fantasy.

[Infidel Racing Team]

Gustavo, I am not going to be able to comment here until you have explained your back round so that I am comfortable as to why you think you know so much about living in modern America. I wanna learn more about the person I am interacting with before I indulge them. Please allow me this indulgence.

PM me if you want to know anything about me. I am sure this is out of this post context. I will be happy to answer anything

[dan200]

PM me if you want to know anything about me. I am sure this is out of this post context. I will be happy to answer anything
What would be out of post context would be making a bold statement of opinion about todays US citizens and then not being able to support it with an explanation of your expertise of the matter.

[JRod]

This whole deal reminds me of when I was about to propose to wife. Stick with me on this. She is hispanic- her grandparents are from Mexico, but I am as white as they come- Some mutt mix of German, Irish, and god-knows what else. Anyway, I am out at her family's house one night and we are at the dinner table while they all tell the best mexican jokes they know. Well, I am practically part of the family, so I decide to be a part of it and tell the best one I know- Only to be met with some awkward silence and even more awkward looks.

My point is- just because you have been around something and have an opinion, doesn't mean you should expect to insult without a fight. It's kind of like your spouse complaining about her family, or your best friend bitching about his brother. Even if they're right, you're a fool to jump in on it and insult their family- You can 99% of the time expect a fight.

Did the "Greatest Generation" do some awesome things? DId they do a lot of things better than we do today? Sure. They also raised some 'effed up families and had an extremely high alcoholism rate.

Does the generation of today have as much passion/unity on world issues today as before? No. It sure as hell doesn't lessen the sacrifices made of the quieter masses compared to the loud-mouthed jackasses that get media time, and considering between me and my wife and our adult siblings we account for a cop, 2 soldiers, a teacher, and a stay-at-home mom- I am offended by many of the blanket statements made here.

Probably have more to say, but smart enough to stop typing for now.

[JRod]

Well look at it like this... Are we at the bottom? When was the top? I would say the top was in late 2005 and to mid 2006. Now we are seeing the 3, 5, and 7 arms coming up for re-finance. Say most got on the band wagon in 2003-2006. Now we see the 5 year arm loans coming up today that people over paid for the homes in 2003 now people really over paid in 2005-2006. We will see a bigger problem coming for the next 4 years into 2012. This will bring down comps in the area for the home you want to buy.
look at it like this... You bought a new house in 2000 for $400k. Because of people jumping on low interest 3-7 year arms they get a $800k house in 2006 and inflate the prices to 800k-1mil. Well now his loan is up and he need to refinance but can't do it because the banks won't loan to him. He short sales his house for $600k. Well now the comps of his area are lowered at appraisal so now the bank won't loan over $500k. Now the guy who has the same house bought in 2000 for $400k needs to sell he can only sell for 500-600k because that is what the area is going for.
I live in Huntington Beach and bought my first house for 195k in 1998. I watched the same area go up to 750k in 2006 and today it is going for 500k. The homes for 500k are sitting for 30-60 days.... makes you wonder... This info is just my general idea of one factor of what is going on..... Now bring in other factors like a bad economy etc....



I just sold my house last month and am now renting and waiting for 2 years....

This is just my opinion and I hope i am right!

Thanks Jerry- Hopefully we'll both be in the SoCal Housing market in about 2 years... LOL!

[dan200]

What would be out of post context would be making a bold statement of opinion about todays US citizens and then not being able to support it with an explanation of your expertise of the matter.

I guess I will have to wait till your aren't "Banned" anymore. I figured it would happen after your attack on Pat. I guessed he is banned now too.

I know you agreed with the mods about "FLY" getting a ban. You claimed he personally attacked you. Now you are found guilty of the same thing and you three are all in "RDC Jail" together. Doesn't it seems ironic that one of the next guys to get banned from RDC was you?

[Jerry Zaiden]

This whole deal reminds me of when I was about to propose to wife. Stick with me on this. She is hispanic- her grandparents are from Mexico, but I am as white as they come- Some mutt mix of German, Irish, and god-knows what else. Anyway, I am out at her family's house one night and we are at the dinner table while they all tell the best mexican jokes they know. Well, I am practically part of the family, so I decide to be a part of it and tell the best one I know- Only to be met with some awkward silence and even more awkward looks.

My point is- just because you have been around something and have an opinion, doesn't mean you should expect to insult without a fight. It's kind of like your spouse complaining about her family, or your best friend bitching about his brother. Even if they're right, you're a fool to jump in on it and insult their family- You can 99% of the time expect a fight.

Did the "Greatest Generation" do some awesome things? DId they do a lot of things better than we do today? Sure. They also raised some 'effed up families and had an extremely high alcoholism rate.

Does the generation of today have as much passion/unity on world issues today as before? No. It sure as hell doesn't lessen the sacrifices made of the quieter masses compared to the loud-mouthed jackasses that get media time, and considering between me and my wife and our adult siblings we account for a cop, 2 soldiers, a teacher, and a stay-at-home mom- I am offended by many of the blanket statements made here.

Probably have more to say, but smart enough to stop typing for now.

Well said!

[randy s]

Gustavo, all generations of Americans except the sideshow self indulgent creeps of the Hippie Generation have been and are great. My dad fought in WWII, my 60 year old brother was a rescue helo crewman in Vietname that was shot down and escaped capture in the jungle. My nephew is in Qatar right now. Beyond those sacrifices, Americans of all generations lead the world in innovation and philanthropy and plain giving to just causes across the globe.

If there is natural disaster in your country, you will find the biggest relief effort coming from north of your border, not from China, not from the Euros, not from Russia. America does this as SOP and for the simple sake of humanity, regardless of past or present differences. Our most wealthy people are the biggest givers in the most poverty stricken areas of the world. Can you say that for Carlos Slim?

For you to come from the outside and make some inept attempt to devise our generations on contribution to our national ethics, morality, sacrifice and hard work is simply ridiculous - making you look like a verbose and arrogant fool.

everyone on the planet has a right to voice an opinion no matter where they come from or are you the guy in charge of who the h-ll is qualified to speak? no one is asking anybody to agree with a certain point of view, redneck. geezis, you've been 180 degrees out on everything you've ever said about me. 100% wrong. 100% of the time. you don't know your a-- from from a hand basket. you truly are a piece of work. i don't want you speaking in behalf of me as an american, thats for sure. i don't agree with all of gustavos' commentary but he has every right to express his opinion without getting insulted to the extent that he is by you. you sound like you're a frightened little paranoid whimp to me. exactly what branch of the service were you in big shot? i was in the army. i doubt you served at all but if i'm wrong, then you outta re-up and go win the war instead of talking about how proud you are of your own self rightious pathetic self for being so dead wrong most the time. i said it once, and i'll say it again, pat, you have alot to learn about people. don't bother responding moron, cause i only value peoples opinions of me that i respect so you're out loser.

[scott-dsms]

What the H-E double hockey sticks happened to my thread? I leave for 1 day to take my son fishing/camping and I have 5 pages to read. The popcorn / diet coke is flowing and the virtual fists are-a flyin :D

Infidel, WT...? It wasn't the 'Greatest generation..' comment you made, but rather what came after it that is offensive "...today’s American's cant make the slightest of efforts to become great again." My 1st question is who said we're not still the greatest nation on the globe(that round thing from school)? True - There are many daunting challenges (situations that need to be resolved) we as Americans face and we'll face them together and Yes, we will triumph in the end. You know, the usual. This is one of the reasons America is disliked on the world stage by many less fortunate nations. Why do you suppose other nations fear the USA? Because we KICK A** Seems other nations are always trying to bring us down. While we try to lift them up (foreign aid, disaster aid, FREEDOM). Our people have always been willing to give their own lives to ensure the well-being of other nations...I wont list them all but FRANCE comes to mind. You don't really hear about people 'fleeing' the United States it's usually the other way around. Why? Again, because WE KICK A**

Unfortunately for the US alot of our own so called-americans(liberals) are engaged in trying to bring us down because of guilt or for whatever reason. I say go live somewhere else if you are guilty and feel like you need to suffer. Leave the rest of us alone. The rest of us realize we are very blessed to be Americans and treat it as such.

2nd, You do owe everyone an apology for that comment (can't make the slightest efforts). Why? no, not cause we KICK A**, because you will never hear from or about the unsung heros (that is why they are 'unsung') in this nation, which BTW, far out number the whiners. The people that mentor at risk youth, the folks that are taking that bag of groceries to their neighbor, visiting an elderly person, helping a kid, sheltering a battered wife or an abused child, providing food, medicine to the needy, feeding hungry people, risking their lives (military, law enforcement, fire dept etc) to ensure our safety and FREEDOM. Greater love has no one than this, that one lay down his life for his friends. Hopefully you can see why this was not a good choice of words at the very least.

3rd, don't get so angry when people call you out dude. Either explain yourself, apologize or gracefully bow out of the conversation. And enough with the double-standard, (thumbs down photo for FLY, c'mon where's the love?) and going ballistic on Pat. Voicing your opinion is one thing, making a blanket statement about us as Americans and personal attacks is another and would not be acceptable if it were the other way around.

I would hope that you would take this timeout to reflect on the situation from someone else's perspective. You've heard the saying...'Walk a mile in their shoes' all of a sudden it's not so cut and dry...and that works both ways.

Have a great day!

[m80ondirt]

What the H-E double hockey sticks happened to my thread? I leave for 1 day to take my son fishing/camping and I have 5 pages to read. The popcorn / diet coke is flowing and the virtual fists are-a flyin :D

Infidel, WT...? It wasn't the 'Greatest generation..' comment you made, but rather what came after it that is offensive "...today’s American's cant make the slightest of efforts to become great again." My 1st question is who said we're not still the greatest nation on the globe(that round thing from school)? True - There are many daunting challenges (situations that need to be resolved) we as Americans face and we'll face them together and Yes, we will triumph in the end. You know, the usual. This is one of the reasons America is disliked on the world stage by many less fortunate nations. Why do you suppose other nations fear the USA? Because we KICK A** Seems other nations are always trying to bring us down. While we try to lift them up (foreign aid, disaster aid, FREEDOM). Our people have always been willing to give their own lives to ensure the well-being of other nations...I wont list them all but FRANCE comes to mind. You don't really hear about people 'fleeing' the United States it's usually the other way around. Why? Again, because WE KICK A**

Unfortunately for the US alot of our own so called-americans(liberals) are engaged in trying to bring us down because of guilt or for whatever reason. I say go live somewhere else if you are guilty and feel like you need to suffer. Leave the rest of us alone. The rest of us realize we are very blessed to be Americans and treat it as such.

2nd, You do owe everyone an apology for that comment (can't make the slightest efforts). Why? no, not cause we KICK A**, because you will never hear from or about the unsung heros (that is why they are 'unsung') in this nation, which BTW, far out number the whiners. The people that mentor at risk youth, the folks that are taking that bag of groceries to their neighbor, visiting an elderly person, helping a kid, sheltering a battered wife or an abused child, providing food, medicine to the needy, feeding hungry people, risking their lives (military, law enforcement, fire dept etc) to ensure our safety and FREEDOM. Greater love has no one than this, that one lay down his life for his friends. Hopefully you can see why this was not a good choice of words at the very least.

3rd, don't get so angry when people call you out dude. Either explain yourself, apologize or gracefully bow out of the conversation. And enough with the double-standard, (thumbs down photo for FLY, c'mon where's the love?) and going ballistic on Pat. Voicing your opinion is one thing, making a blanket statement about us as Americans and personal attacks is another and would not be acceptable if it were the other way around.

I would hope that you would take this timeout to reflect on the situation from someone else's perspective. You've heard the saying...'Walk a mile in their shoes' all of a sudden it's not so cut and dry...and that works both ways.

Remember this though...America...F*&* Yeah! We're here to save the Mother-Fu..*%'in day..Yeah!

Have a great day!

This is a great response.!
Infidel, one question, which islands did your buddy parachute in during the war in the pacific?
Sincerely,
Sgt. M. Marrs
United States Army, (ret.)

[Fidel]

YouTube - MS-13 gang racists kill whites veterans memorial new haven
YouTube - Illegal Aliens Show Their Gratitude

[TauMau]

Fidel (rofl at the irony of your username) - Those are some provoking videos. I know there are a lot of honest hard-working illegal immigrants, but at the same time there are many others that poorly represent their group.

[dan200]

Here is a little history on the price of oil.

Key milestones in the dollar price of crude oil from below two dollars in 1970 to Monday's record 139.89 dollars.

- 1970: The official price of Saudi crude oil is fixed at 1.80 dollars per barrel.

- 1974: The price passes 10 dollars after the first oil shock, sparked by the October 1973 Arab-Israeli war.

- 1979: Oil passes 20 dollars as the Islamic revolution in Iran causes a second oil shock.

- 1980: The price tops 30 dollars for the first time and 39 dollars in early 1981 at the height of the war between Iran and Iraq.

- Sept-Oct 1990: Oil prices sneak above 40 dollars after Iraq's invasion of Kuwait.

- March 2003: On the eve of the US-led invasion of Iraq, the price stands at just over 37 dollars.

- Sept 2004: Oil tops 50 dollars on concerns about the war in Iraq.

- June 2005: The barrel shoots above 60 dollars.

- Aug 2005: Prices rise above 70 dollars when Hurricane Katrina hits the Gulf of Mexico, damaging major offshore oil installations.

- Sept 12, 2007: Oil passes 80 dollars as the market worries about the level of US stocks and increasing tension over Iran.

- Oct 18, 2007: The price breaches 90 dollars.

- Nov 21, 2007: A fresh record of 99.29 dollars is reached as traders react to tight global energy supplies amid tensions between Turkey and Iraq. Prices fall back below 90 dollars by the end of the month.

- Dec 28, 2007: Oil hits 97.79 dollars after the murder of Pakistan's opposition leader Benazir Bhutto and following a sixth successive weekly drop in US crude reserves.

- Jan 2, 2008: Oil briefly hits 100 dollar levels on concerns at violence in key exporter Nigeria.

- March 13, 2008: Oil hits 111 dollars.

- April 22, 2008: Prices spike to 119 dollars as OPEC sits tight despite calls for increased output and the dollar tumbles.

- May 5, 2008: Crude breaches 120 dollars, then 130 dollars on May 21 and 135 dollars on May 22 before falling back sharply on heavy profit-taking.

- June 16, 2008: Oil hits a record 139.89 dollars, threatening to breach the 140 dollars level and promising more gains.

Now it appears that the Saudis are realizing that if they don't increase the supply to equal the demand global economic growth will be hindered on a massive scale. As I understand it Bush asked them to increase output just recently to help us out and they said no.

By going the way of hybrids and people just driving less now ,carpooling, not flying, and if you are like my neighbor, even growing their own food rather than pay inflated prices for produce shipped on trucks, the people of the US (not the government) have shown the oil producers that there are other ways to live that will lessen our oil addiction and that we will use them.

This comes to light the same day Honda launches the Hydrogen car. Coincidence? By the actions of the people we may be headed in a better direction but who knows really. If prices are reduced by a surge of oil being available all of a sudden and prices being brought back to a realistic cost per gallon will we continue our efforts to reduce our oil dependence on foreign suppliers? Or, will we jump back in our Escalades and Suburbans and continue to be dependent on our energy for transit from foreign nations.

I certainly hope we don't forget what it was like to be broke and unable to justify a trip to the grocery store to pick up a carton of milk or some lettuce. Without a steady supply of fuel America will be screwed big time. All of us!!! If the energy crisis caused by market changes haven't done it to you already your days are numbered and no one is above its reach.

We have the ability to be self sufficient. Please vote with your dollar as much as you do with your ballot. Our politicians have consistently failed us and I wish we could fire them all. Our future depends on us and our decisions about how much we spend, on what we spend it on and who we pay it too are to important to be left up to our government. Since when have they been famous for their economic successes anyway? I have more faith in a teenager with a lamborgini to drive responsibly than a politician with a dollar spending it wisely. Votes with greenbacks are more valuable than you may think.

[Mike @ pit b]

I just love how they think they're macho and then wear bandannas to hide their cowardice.

And I think ANYONE disrespecting the American flag in this country should be drawn and quartered. They should try it in front of a VFW and see how long they could get away with that $#!t.

Mike

[Vtr_Racing]

Wow!!! I missed this thread!! Lol... I met a tax evader in Baja at 1000! Been there for going on 10 years now.

[btshannon]

Bring back Pat!!

[Cadwell]

Well I got my cost of living increase..... A BIG .50 per hour MORE!!!! thats an extra 20 dollars a week or about 4.5 gallons of gas a week!


This is getting ridiculious!!! And there is nothing we can do! I already conserve as much as possible and since the wife doesn't have to take the daughter to school she keeps her car parked and if she needs anything at the store I get it on the way home so she doesn't have to drive!

[btshannon]

Annoy a liberal.................Work hard and be happy!

How could you not like a guy with a license plate like this:

[dan200]

Why do today what we can put off until tomorrow? :rolleyes:

House panel puts off vote to extend offshore drilling ban
Email|Print|Single Page| Text size – + By H. JOSEF HEBERT
Associated Press / June 18, 2008

WASHINGTON —A House panel put off a vote Wednesday on extending Congress' ban on offshore drilling, even as President Bush was poised to publicly renew his call for lawmakers to open U.S. coastal waters to oil and gas development.
more stories like this

Drilling for oil and gas off nearly all the American coastline has been banned over the past quarter-century, in part to protect tourism and to lessen the chances of beach-blackening spills. Now, $4-a-gallon gasoline prices are a part of people's daily lives and motorists are clamoring for something to be done about the record price of oil, much of it produced in foreign countries.

In response, Bush was to call again Wednesday for exploration, arguing that it's high time to battle high prices with increased domestic production. He planned to ask Congress to lift the drilling moratoria that have been in effect since 1981 in more than 80 percent of the country's Outer Continental Shelf and to let states help to decide where to allow drilling.

"The president believes Congress shouldn't waste any more time," White House press secretary Dana Perino told The Associated Press on Tuesday. "He will explicitly call on Congress to ... pass legislation lifting the congressional ban on safe, environmentally friendly offshore oil drilling."

For their part, some lawmakers had their own plan: Legislation that would continue the ban into late 2009, and which had been scheduled to be considered Wednesday by the House Appropriations Committee. But the session was postponed because the committee was focusing on disaster relief measures involving the Midwest flooding.

[Vtr_Racing]

Saw the interviews with the Dems who opposed this and their biiggest reason, it wont help much.
We need to punt all these yahoos out of there. Its going from worse, to awful, quick.
I am really surprised that the economy hasnt taken as big of hit. We were barely of 12000 on the stock market today. Its like a slow leak on your tire.

[JrSyko]

This is amazing...how did I miss all the fun??? haha

[R_TAYLOR]

Congress doesnt have time to consider offshore drilling.Today they were busy debating paid federal employee leave.I am now shaking my head at the ignorance of our elected officials.

[Stimpy]

As a surfer you would think I'd oppose off-shore drilling with every bone in my body. Its quite the oppsite! As long as its done with the safest and eco friendly manner I'm all for it! I understand fully the need to relieve our dependence on forgien oil. Oil rigs survive huge swells and gail force winds without loosing a drop of oil. My only fear would be human error!
As for Infidel and his statements? Yes, he offended me a couple of times. Howeverhe was expressing his own point of view. This is a wonderful country WE live in that allows US freedom of speach. I however believe he attacked OUR country from a forgien border. Being he is a none citizen. I'm taking it with a grain of salt. When people have a keyboard in front of them they can be as brave as a lion. Its not personal. Now put him in a situation with real consequence I believe his tone would be very differnt. More like a squeek then a roar.


Just a $1.00 worth of my $.02........Stimp

[la2baja]

Why do today what we can put off until tomorrow? :rolleyes:

House panel puts off vote to extend offshore drilling ban
Email|Print|Single Page| Text size – + By H. JOSEF HEBERT
Associated Press / June 18, 2008

WASHINGTON —A House panel put off a vote Wednesday on extending Congress' ban on offshore drilling, even as President Bush was poised to publicly renew his call for lawmakers to open U.S. coastal waters to oil and gas development.
more stories like this

Drilling for oil and gas off nearly all the American coastline has been banned over the past quarter-century, in part to protect tourism and to lessen the chances of beach-blackening spills. Now, $4-a-gallon gasoline prices are a part of people's daily lives and motorists are clamoring for something to be done about the record price of oil, much of it produced in foreign countries.

In response, Bush was to call again Wednesday for exploration, arguing that it's high time to battle high prices with increased domestic production. He planned to ask Congress to lift the drilling moratoria that have been in effect since 1981 in more than 80 percent of the country's Outer Continental Shelf and to let states help to decide where to allow drilling.

"The president believes Congress shouldn't waste any more time," White House press secretary Dana Perino told The Associated Press on Tuesday. "He will explicitly call on Congress to ... pass legislation lifting the congressional ban on safe, environmentally friendly offshore oil drilling."

For their part, some lawmakers had their own plan: Legislation that would continue the ban into late 2009, and which had been scheduled to be considered Wednesday by the House Appropriations Committee. But the session was postponed because the committee was focusing on disaster relief measures involving the Midwest flooding.


Our President, a large majority of the house and Cogress made their money in Oil and still hold stock in it. Why would they want to go and do something stupid like provide more oil and decrease their profit?

[Jerry Zaiden]

This is amazing...how did I miss all the fun??? haha

You were doing your hair :)