Bill O'Reilly is Bashing MMA.....

[Infidel Racing Team]

For those here who have not seen the O' Reilly continuous MMA bashing campaign.

I find it quite disturbing that he doesn’t have a clue about the sport and bashes one of the most exiting sports EVER!

It going to be so ironical that he will have to eat his words pretty soon because the rumor is that Fox has signed a huge deal with the UFC to counter CBS' Elite XC.

Can you get more ignorant and blatant about distorting the facts as O' Reilly does?:mad::mad:

1st Video
http://www.redlasso.com/ClipPlayer.aspx?id=89e5c135-898f-4ff1-97e9-5e2f67c109c3


In the second video although I dislike Dana, he really showed O’Reilly some good points



YouTube - Bill O'Reilly vs. Dana White and Rich Franklin

[Vtr_Racing]

I saw that and I didnt agree with Oreilly either. Most peoples perception of boxing or anything like that is violence. I think it would be safe to say that Bill`s perception is from ignorance.

[Infidel Racing Team]

I saw that and I didnt agree with Oreilly either. Most peoples perception of boxing or anything like that is violence. I think it would be safe to say that Bill`s perception is from ignorance.

Agree 100%:)

[scott-dsms]

We need to ban everything and then everyone will be safe :)

[woundedyak]

"Is that a fact Doctor?" classic!

[Ramsey_ElWardani]

I’m with O’Reilly on this one. I find MMA (Mixed Martial Arts or Ultimate Fighting) as violently offensive as Dog Fighting – can’t even stand to watch either, so I don’t.

[Infidel Racing Team]

I’m with O’Reilly on this one. I find Ultimate Fighting as violently offensive as Dog Fighting – can’t even stand to watch either, so I don’t.


To begin with, It is called Mixed martial Arts, there is no such thing as Ultimate Fighting. The UFC is a brand, not the name of the SPORT.

Although you are entitled to your opinion, in my youth, I have practice Karate for 10 years, Jiu Jitsu, Boxing and beleive or not I was a running back in Highschool in Missouri:D

I have to say, Football is 10X more dangerous and there is no comparison in my injuries in Football than in the Martial Arts.

Boxing was also difficult, (mostly because I sucked and I was the human punching bag of the Boxing team in college), but that aside....Boxing was a far 2nd.

I tried to learn as an adult MMA, but I found out that I was to old , too fat and had no reflexes left.....in anyrate, not only I am a fan of all the above sports, but I can assure you there is little things more dangerous than several 250+ #ers running at each other at tremenduous speed...

The stats alone back my statement up:D

[DEZERTSUB]

Everyone who has contributed to this has valid points, yet I think the majority are overlooking what it it Bill is trying to bring to light:
That something with a "violent nature" such as MMA is being broadcast on primetime television for anyone to view it. I'm not going to sit here and let anyone tell me that MMA isn't violent. I'll give it to them, they do have tremendous athletic ability and stamina, but the point O'Reilly is trying to make is that it's too violent for TV. PPV events are fine.

When I was growing up watching WWF, you bet that my friends and I tried some of those moves on one another. We soon discovered that some submission holds can be very painful and effective too. However, all along we knew that it was fake. These guys beat the crap out of another. I'm not saying I don't enjoy watching some of these fights myself, but I still think that if showing images of 9/11 can have negative effects on people, what does this to do impressionable kids???

[dezertdude]

but the point O'Reilly is trying to make is that it's too violent for TV. PPV events are fine.

what does this to do impressionable kids???


you mean like boxing, war movies, simpsons with itchy and scratchy blowing thier heads off, mtv with guys brandishing guns, the list goes on and on and on. There are FAR more violent things on TV then MMA.

What does it do to kids? Maybe thier parents should'nt let them watch it!? if not, maybe they'll join an mma class and learn some discipline, and self respect. Maybe they'll fight with thier fists again rather then bring guns to school.

Hell the evening news shows more graphic and violent situations the mma.

[Infidel Racing Team]

Hmmm....True, but then again TV as a whole should change, no guns, no crime, no races....no nothing...

We would be left with the Norman Rockwell's TV channel all day.......that would be boring and not real life, wouldnt it?

[DEZERTSUB]

you mean like boxing, war movies, simpsons with itchy and scratchy blowing thier heads off, mtv with guys brandishing guns, the list goes on and on and on. There are FAR more violent things on TV then MMA.

What does it do to kids? Maybe thier parents should'nt let them watch it!? if not, maybe they'll join an mma class and learn some discipline, and self respect. Maybe they'll fight with thier fists again rather then bring guns to school.

Hell the evening news shows more graphic and violent situations the mma.

Boxing: another hand to hand combat sport.
War movies: MOVIES, FAKE
Itchy and Scratchy: CARTOONS, FAKE
MTV: biggest joke ever

Why not cite old Wylie Coyote and Roadrunner cartoons? Wasn't the coyote always trying to KILL the roadrunner, and usually blew himself up?
It was FAKE and of good comedic value. With this new trend of REALITY television....
If a kid really wants to learn self respect and discipline, he (or she) will go get a degree and make a difference in the world diplomatically, not learn to fistfight better.

[dan200]

We need to ban everything and then everyone will be safe :)

I totally agree with you. In fact, as we initiate our national banning of everything we should start with a "ban on banning".

I feel safer already.:)

I hope others jump on the "BANNED WAGON" and this gets going soon!;)

[DSRTXJ]

The sport WILL eventually change if UFC did sign with Fox.

[scott-dsms]

you mean like boxing, war movies, simpsons with itchy and scratchy blowing thier heads off, mtv with guys brandishing guns, the list goes on and on and on. There are FAR more violent things on TV then MMA.

What does it do to kids? Maybe thier parents should'nt let them watch it!? if not, maybe they'll join an mma class and learn some discipline, and self respect. Maybe they'll fight with thier fists again rather then bring guns to school.

Hell the evening news shows more graphic and violent situations the mma.

I think the difference is 'itchy and scratchy' ISN'T real whereas MMA is - Real people really hurting each other. At least in boxing there is a line I think, not sure, never really got into paying $$$$ to watch a match, but where do you draw that ever so fine line as to what is acceptable. What about executions like one of the guests stated in the 1st vid, or porn - Just don't let the kids watch?

Personally I think it would be cool to teach these MMA guys how to play hockey- it would add so much to the game. However a skate blade to the throat delivered via roundhouse kick could get ugly :eek:

[dezertdude]

Boxing: another hand to hand combat sport.
War movies: MOVIES, FAKE
Itchy and Scratchy: CARTOONS, FAKE
MTV: biggest joke ever

Why not cite old Wylie Coyote and Roadrunner cartoons? Wasn't the coyote always trying to KILL the roadrunner, and usually blew himself up?
It was FAKE and of good comedic value. With this new trend of REALITY television....
If a kid really wants to learn self respect and discipline, he (or she) will go get a degree and make a difference in the world diplomatically, not learn to fistfight better.



Im not the one saying ban this stuff, you are. I'm just throwing out examples of the MANY other violent shows on TV. If you dont like it, turn it off. Kids need to learn to make thier own descisions. Again, the evening news has REAL people doing real bad things including MURDER....so whats your point?

Kids that DONT learn to fistfight bring guns to school. Its a sport. no one has died from it as stated in the video. I respect your opinion but I think your overreacting.

When I was a kid(6 or 7 y.o.) I watched a scary movie that I KNEW was fake. I had intense nightmares and visuals for a good year. Never had a nightmare from watching a fight. Just another EXAMPLE.

[DEZERTSUB]

WAIT WAIT WAIT dezertdude....you show me where I said we should BAN MMA and I'll apologize and concede that you are 100% correct and I am a fool.

Unfortunately for you, I NEVER SAID THAT MMA SHOULD BE BANNED. I merely think it should be kept on a PPV basis or premium channels, not broadcast in primetime.

Please do not put words in my mouth (or on my keyboard for that matter!)

[DEZERTSUB]

Im not the one saying ban this stuff, you are. I'm just throwing out examples of the MANY other violent shows on TV. If you dont like it, turn it off. Kids need to learn to make thier own descisions. Again, the evening news has REAL people doing real bad things including MURDER....so whats your point?

The evening news reports the news, it doesn't promote violent activity for profit and popularity, something REALITY TV does. Did you know who Bam Margera was before Viva la Bam? Did you know who Kim Kardashian was before her reality show?
REALITY TV promotes an agenda....PROFIT.
MMA on TV is for PROFIT.

Do you need this spelled out any more clearly for you?

[dan200]

Did you know who Bam Margera was before Viva la Bam?

Sub what does Bam have to do with fighting?

[dezertdude]

I think the majority are overlooking what it it Bill is trying to bring to light:
That something with a "violent nature" such as MMA is being broadcast on primetime television for anyone to view it.

If you dont want it banned then whats your solution?

Ya the news reports what happened in real life. You dont think they go after the violent stories for PROFIT? Your nuts. Ever watch the news? Pay attention to the ratio of happy stories to those of violent/scary ones. Your trippin dude.

[dezertdude]

MMA on TV is for PROFIT.

Do you need this spelled out any more clearly for you?

So is EVERY other show on TV. Dont be a dick about it man.

[DEZERTSUB]

Sub what does Bam have to do with fighting?
Nothing at all, other than it was a small percentage of people who knew about him before his own reality show.

If you dont want it banned then whats your solution?

Ya the news reports what happened in real life. You dont think they go after the violent stories for PROFIT? Your nuts. Ever watch the news? Pay attention to the ratio of happy stories to those of violent/scary ones. Your trippin dude.

DDude, I already explained my solution. How come you didn't show me where I said to ban it as well???
Keep it on a PPV basis or on a premium channel Ultimately, it is a parents responsibility to moniter what their children view.
You really think I don't understand that the news companies are in the business of selling stories? YOU'RE trippin dude!!!
The difference I think you fail to realize is that the news does not condone that kind of behavior, it merely reports it. What else do you need spelled out for you????

[DEZERTSUB]

So is EVERY other show on TV. Dont be a dick about it man.

Grow up dude.

[brown_e]

Hello, all mentioned prior comments have good points. It's all an opinion and here is another one. I for one enjoy the MMA on television. I have some friends that are highly involved and train, some are even professional fighters. Nothing wrong w/ that. 3 of the 4 have a degree from college, so they are working to put food on the table in a way others can't. I for one can not do this. I can't see getting beat up enjoyable but for some they might.
It should be ok for MMA to be viewed by the public if they CHOOSE to watch it. We don't put the gun in the children's hands either, they make the decision. What we need to do is make the individuals that perform the crime suffer their consequences thoroughly. Although many would argue but capital punishment in some way could change this. I can't see how a child, teenager, college student or even an adult would want to take their own life while taking others but some do and we need to deal w/ it. It's the sad truth that we live in.
More or else we need to be responsible for our actions, no matter what they are. Karate does demonstrate discipline and so does other athletic sports but to allow an athlete to perform or commit a crime, then return the next year and being considered an all star is a joke. If you are convicted serve the time and the crime. The privilege you had before is now gone and have to live your life outside of the lime light and should be banned from the sport. That's it! It's a privilege to make the money most athletes in the US get paid and if you mess w/ it, then suffer the consequences and are now banned. I'm sure a lot of younger children that see this happen and would think twice about what they are doing. This though should not only be against athletes, but professionals as a whole.
Sorry for the rant! Tough day at work for a Friday. =)

[dezertdude]

Whatever man, your not hearing me. have a good one.

[DEZERTSUB]

Whatever man, your not hearing me. have a good one.

I did hear you, and I also agreed that there are always going to be violent things on TV.
However, you made a false accusation that I said to BAN it. I asked you to highlight that for me, and you failed to do so.
I have multiple times said that it merely should be restricted, not on public TV. Whats not to understand???

Please don't just run away, explain yourself.

Start out by showing me where I said to ban MMA.

[dezertdude]

I did hear you, and I also agreed that there are always going to be violent things on TV.
However, you made a false accusation that I said to BAN it. I asked you to highlight that for me, and you failed to do so.
I have multiple times said that it merely should be restricted, not on public TV. Whats not to understand???

Please don't just run away, explain yourself.

Start out by showing me where I said to ban MMA.

OK so you want it banned from "public" tv. Excuuuuuuse me. So it goes on pay per view. Now were back at sqaure one and we still have all the other crap on "regular" tv that I was giving you examples of which was my point all along before you decided to insult me.

[dan200]

Everyone back to your corners. I want a clean fight.

[DEZERTSUB]

OK so you want it banned from "public" tv. Excuuuuuuse me. So it goes on pay per view. Now were back at sqaure one and we still have all the other crap on "regular" tv that I was giving you examples of which was my point all along before you decided to insult me.

I apologize if you feel that I insulted you. However, you claimed that I said something untrue, and when peope engage in such shrewd tactics, I (we all) resort to defensive behavior. You claimed I was being a dick about it cause I called you out on your BS, fine.

We agree that parenting is the best in raising kids. However, according to many in todays society "It takes a village to rasie the kids, not just the parents"
So hadn't we better make sure our village is going to provide wholesome entertainment for our kids. This is why there is a RATING SYSTEM in place for movies. This is why there are regulations on those dirty magazines in stores.
The news reports the news, and like you said, the ratio of good news to bad news is very disproportionate, which is also unfortunate, it's just the way of the world.

[DEZERTSUB]

Everyone back to your corners. I want a clean fight.

See? way to officiate there buddy!!!!:D

[miguelitro]

I enjoy the sport of MMA, though not as much as a good boxing match.
I will say that I have seen more street fighting since it became so popular and lost a good friend to fighting so I am kinda jaded on fighting as a sport right now. I think that most who watch MMA DO NOT have the discipline or integrity of a professional fighter and take it to the street to prove themselves (as what I do not know). Mix inn the typical evening of alcohol and scantily clad women that roam the streets in my community, well its a recipe for problems.
Mike

[dan200]

TV has parental control features every parent can use. It blocks questionable and violent content from being played in your home. If you wanna block stuff at your house go ahead but don't do it in mine.

On a lighter note, a few years back my roommate was being a loser and not paying his share of the cable bill. "Dude, I never even watch HBO. BLAH BLAH BLAH." I decided since he did not seem to feel he should have to pay for cable I would make sure he did not get to use it. The problem was I did not want to give up all my channels so I waited till just before I was going overseas for three weeks and played a little trick on him. I blocked all mature content. Man was he pissed.

[dezertdude]

I apologize if you feel that I insulted you. However, you claimed that I said something untrue, and when peope engage in such shrewd tactics, I (we all) resort to defensive behavior. You claimed I was being a dick about it cause I called you out on your BS, fine.

We agree that parenting is the best in raising kids. However, according to many in todays society "It takes a village to rasie the kids, not just the parents"
So hadn't we better make sure our village is going to provide wholesome entertainment for our kids. This is why there is a RATING SYSTEM in place for movies. This is why there are regulations on those dirty magazines in stores.
The news reports the news, and like you said, the ratio of good news to bad news is very disproportionate, which is also unfortunate, it's just the way of the world.

Thank you sir. I misunderstood what you originally said, that was my bad.

The way I see it "the village's" (the world) morals in general are going down the crapper quick and we can't stop it.(not that we should'nt try, i simply think their are bigger battles to fight then mma on tv) So its up to the individual parents to decide what thier kids can watch. But ultimatley thier gonna see it one way or another because its there in real life, on tv, in magazines, newspapers, radio etc etc. Its the parents job to explain WHY certain things are wrong.

Sheltering kids from everything bad in the world is not the answer IN MY OPINION. Thier gonna find out about it one way or another. So is it best to hide it from them or teach them about it?

[DEZERTSUB]

Thank you sir. I misunderstood what you originally said, that was my bad.

The way I see it "the village's" (the world) morals in general are going down the crapper quick and we can't stop it.(not that we should'nt try, i simply think their are bigger battles to fight then mma on tv) So its up to the individual parents to decide what thier kids can watch. But ultimatley thier gonna see it one way or another because its there in real life, on tv, in magazines, newspapers, radio etc etc. Its the parents job to explain WHY certain things are wrong.

Sheltering kids from everything bad in the world is not the answer IN MY OPINION. Thier gonna find out about it one way or another. So is it best to hide it from them or teach them about it?

I am 100% agreeance with you here. Societys morals are in the crapper, I bet more 20 year olds today can tell you about American Idol than the Speaker of the House.
What you said about sheltering is true, but there also needs to be a responsible, educated on all sides teacher to provide info when the student is ready.
My parents always made pot out to seem like the devil, so when I discovered how mellow pot really is, I had to question everything else they had told me too ya know?

Posi rep sent. Sorry for the argument, but glad we were able to come to a conclusion!

(this is how Infidel and I became friends by the way, nothing wrong with a little debate!!!):D

[dezertdude]

Yep, no harm done, just a good debate. I thought we might have a mma fight of our own! lol.

[BGRANT]

Doesn't anybody know that MMA is fake? I bet you all thought the WWF was real at one time or another as well.
Idiots.

[Infidel Racing Team]

Doesn't anybody know that MMA is fake? I bet you all thought the WWF was real at one time or another as well.
Idiots.

Bet you cant tell that to Logan face to face:D

[michael_loomis]

I dont see how comparing MMA to TV shows, cartoons, movies, news is the same?

everyone these days it seems is training and there gym for some kind of "fight club". people idolize these fighters and emulate them. I see it everytime I go to a beach or bar. Kids want to be them. Rarely to kids, teens, adults, see someone robbing a bank on the news or being violent in a movie/cartoon and say, thats what I want to do!

but they all wanna train to be a killer, mad dog you in a bar, walk around like there you know what dont stink.. it gets old.

I got no problem with any ONE person running there mouth talkin trash... but what happens when it escalates and all his fight club buddies join in? all because its one big billy badass fad.

I say keep it on the ppv and premium pay channels, not network TV.

Gonna have to roid out and join a fight club just to feel safe pretty soon.

[BGRANT]

Gonna have to roid out and join a fight club just to feel safe pretty soon.

Just wear TAPOUT gear and nobody will mess with you. Put a big sticker on your back window and nobody will cut you off!:D

[BGRANT]

Bet you cant tell that to Logan face to face:D

He will probably suplex me and put me in a camel clutch.:D

[INI]

So true...I have a good friend thats a MMA ***..He hates the stereotype of a donkey and it sucks that Tapout got such a bad rap. I know there deal well seeing my bro sponsors most of the MMA fights and is apart of the TO posseJust wear TAPOUT gear and nobody will mess with you. Put a big sticker on your back window and nobody will cut you off!:D

[Infidel Racing Team]

I dont see how comparing MMA to TV shows, cartoons, movies, news is the same?

everyone these days it seems is training and there gym for some kind of "fight club". people idolize these fighters and emulate them. I see it everytime I go to a beach or bar. Kids want to be them. Rarely to kids, teens, adults, see someone robbing a bank on the news or being violent in a movie/cartoon and say, thats what I want to do!

but they all wanna train to be a killer, mad dog you in a bar, walk around like there you know what dont stink.. it gets old.

I got no problem with any ONE person running there mouth talkin trash... but what happens when it escalates and all his fight club buddies join in? all because its one big billy badass fad.

I say keep it on the ppv and premium pay channels, not network TV.

Gonna have to roid out and join a fight club just to feel safe pretty soon.


People do imitate TV in real life in every way....MMA has something that most sports dont....Respect for your opponent.

That comes from the Martial Arts background of the sport and the Oriental cultures that these comes from.

Most MMA athletes are people who are more positive to society than the average citizen.
If that permeates to society, that will be a good thing....

[dan200]

I think when it comes to Bill O'Riley I am gonna have to go with Snoop.
WARNING!!! Several BAd words are in this video.

http://www.videa-videa.cz/video/MWDVpSUXHeM/snoop-dogg-says-fck-bill-oreilly-tbohiphopnet.html

[randy s]

i think our society is under the impression that we've evolved into a more civil and sophisticated bunch. that all this stuff is to brutal and should'nt be seen by children . that, of course is total bull----. we're just as brutal and violant as we've ever been. prolly more so. bill o'reilly is a blowhard idiot for sure, but a master at keeping his name and mug in the public eye. for me, i don't watch ufc or any of the other cage type fights cause they're all basically the same and it's just boring in my opinion. but o'reilly is just blabbing away like the kiljoy he is and his opinions should'nt be considered by anyone who uses his head as anything more than just more fox b.s. his commentary is'nt going to change anything, so go ahead and watch the fights if that's what you enjoy doing. my .02 pesos worth.

[DEZERTSUB]

Snoop showed his true colors when he came to the defense of Stanley "Tookie" Williams, convicted murderer and co-founder of the Crips. Thankfully, he was still executed.

While I don't have as much admiration for Bill O'Reilly as it may seem, he does have the balls to give real interviews, not just soft questions and "why can't we be friends" music. Bill O'Reilly is a man compared to that little hood rat who calls himself S to the N to the double O P to the D O double G ya see!

[randy s]

have'nt kids been wrestling with each other and horseing around since we've been walking upright? if i had kids, i'd be more concerned with them trying to learn how to throw a curve ball on their own when they're 8 or 9 or immulate nfl players and those great alternative sports athletes who seem to always be bragging about how many titanium pins and screws they're held together with than cage fighters.i think it comes down to the parents and how much they really like their kids when it comes down to their kids activities. bill-o ought to shut up and do what he does best. make s--t up as he goes.

[EQuin]

I’m with O’Reilly on this one. I find MMA (Mixed Martial Arts or Ultimate Fighting) as violently offensive as Dog Fighting – can’t even stand to watch either, so I don’t.

I thought it was too brutal when I first saw it on TV. I was surprised that it was even legal thinking that it would surely lead to serious injuries and death. I was also biased since I grew up watching boxing, which to me seemed a more "gentlemanly" combat sport than kicking and punching someone when they were down. But I did something I never thought I would do. Call it a mid-life crisis at my ripe old 40-something years of age, I started training in MMA a few months ago without ever having fought anyone in my life. To my surprise, I found it was a whole heck of a lot of fun and a great way to stay in shape. Granted, I'm way too old to compete and fight, but what I learned (besides the fact that I realized I could get my butt kicked in more ways than I thought possible!) is that it is more a sport than anything else. Just like you have amateur boxing bouts and amateur judo and high school wrestling tournaments, you have this new sport that combines those other sports. One of the few things I would change, though, is require the use of headgear in amateur fights, just like they do in amateur boxing.

I tried to learn as an adult MMA, but I found out that I was to old , too fat and had no reflexes left.....in anyrate, not only I am a fan of all the above sports, but I can assure you there is little things more dangerous than several 250+ #ers running at each other at tremenduous speed...

The stats alone back my statement up:D

That's what I'm discovering - too old! And I thought I was in good shape being able to swim more than a mile straight, enter 5K runs, etc.! But I'm surprised I still have some speed and reflexes (boxing), but not what they used to be. But what's most disappointing are injuries and recovery time - stress fracture in left ulna, probably from repetitive heavy bag drills and a sprained hip flexor from grappling/side control drills. My body can only afford to go no more than once a week due to much slower recovery time than when I was young, and that's when I haven't injured myself from all the drills and training. I've now re-discovered swimming as a great recovery workout.

Anyway, I'm now a big fan of MMA, and while before I didn't know what the heck they were doing when I'd see them roll on the floor, I now know a bit more and can certainly appreciate the strategy, technique and skills developed from lots and lots of dedicated training and practice. And speaking of training and practice, the younger students in my class are at least dedicating themselves to a sport that steers them away from gang activity, drug use, loitering, vehicle burglary, etc. Instead, they're learning discipline, how to stay in shape and eat right, often having to wake up early in the morning for training and return again in the evening for more training.

[EQuin]

Oh, and as for O' Reilly's opinion that the sport is too brutal - what happened to our country? Have we turned into a bunch of wusses or something? Wrestling is real big in Poland, Russia and other Eastern European countries. Muay Thai, Judo and jiu-jitsu are real big in the Far East. And boxing is real big most everywhere. Is he pandering to the whining, "do-gooder" liberals that want to not only take away our freedom to choose a sport that requires one to assume a certain amount of risk, but to also convert us into a passive, non-competitive mentality? Yeah, it can be brutal, but it's not that brutal. There are a lot of sports that include a real risk of death or serious injury that can be called "brutal" as well - motorsports being one of them. Just look at all the threads in the racing discussion folder that pay tribute to fallen racers killed while racing, practicing or prerunning - and then think of all the other ones that were seriously injured and lucky to be alive, even if they did suffer multiple broken bones and internal organ injury. Like Dana said in that interview, how many have been killed or seriously injured in MMA over the past 12 years? What about bullriders in the local rodeo circuit? How many rodeos end up with a bull or bronc rider needing to be carried away in a stretcher? Personally, I'd much rather step into a ring/cage against a fellow human being who weighs about the same as I do, shake his glove in a sportsmanship like manner and "tap-out" if I'm overmatched than go up against a 1000+ lb. bull that would as soon kill me as look at me, not caring if I try to "tap-out" of the death-stomping, horn gouging mauling he's giving me. Just my humble opinion....

[creynolds]

Great post EQuin. Plain and simple, we have the right to choose. If some don't want their kids watching, then don't allow them. In today's society parents have become extremely lazy. While they may cry and moan about what their kids are being exposed to, maybe the better alternative is to quit being lazy and actually implement the values that they have as a parent. It's not societies responsibility to determine what's best for your children, it's yours. The problem comes from the lack of execution by the parent.

[Infidel Racing Team]

Yep,

MMA or Offroading can seem extreme to the untrained eye.....As long as there are competitive people with balls we will have offroad and MMA

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[C flips]

Great post EQuin. Plain and simple, we have the right to choose. If some don't want their kids watching, then don't allow them. In today's society parents have become extremely lazy. While they may cry and moan about what their kids are being exposed to, maybe the better alternative is to quit being lazy and actually implement the values that they have as a parent. It's not societies responsibility to determine what's best for your children, it's yours. The problem comes from the lack of execution by the parent.

Very well put.

[michael_loomis]

People do imitate TV in real life in every way....MMA has something that most sports dont....Respect for your opponent.

That comes from the Martial Arts background of the sport and the Oriental cultures that these comes from.

Most MMA athletes are people who are more positive to society than the average citizen.
If that permeates to society, that will be a good thing....


Respect for your opponent.. something I admire greatly about MMA. Dont get me wrong, I love watching MMA.. my problem is with the tools who try to emulate there favs in the ring, out on the street, but with a lack of respect for anyone but themselves.

I do agree that people imitate TV.. but not like the wild fire that has become the MMA fanfare...

as far as people being lazy vs not allowing your kids to watch something...

you mean to tell me that you did everything your parents told you to do as a child? if they want it bad enough, they'll find a way... lol

[DEZERTSUB]

Respect for your opponent.. something I admire greatly about MMA. Dont get me wrong, I love watching MMA.. my problem is with the tools who try to emulate there favs in the ring, out on the street, but with a lack of respect for anyone but themselves.

I do agree that people imitate TV.. but not like the wild fire that has become the MMA fanfare...

as far as people being lazy vs not allowing your kids to watch something...

you mean to tell me that you did everything your parents told you to do as a child? if they want it bad enough, they'll find a way... lol


I agree with my homie here. I think WE have much more respect for our fellow competitors than most sports. I've never been involved in a bad nerfing situation thankfully, but from everything I've seen, we as offroaders look out for one another much better than I've ever seen in any other competitive sport.

Baseball has become a contest of who can do steroids and get away with it (to me anyways). I used to emulate ballplayers until the first scandal came up...then I shunned baseball.

Football, being very competitive and intense in nature, also is a contest of who can "be the biggest badazz" (consider the popularity of a douche like TO) and I'm sorry, these cats are not good role models for the youth of today. Obviously, there are many more participants in football than your average NASCAR race, but NASCAR will not tolerate ANY violations of their rules. One guy a few years back tested positive for cocaine, and he will NEVER race in nascar again. By the way, NASCAR drivers contributed more to Katrina relief efforts than all the NFL combined....how sad!!!

I'm not saying that NASCAR drivers are without faults, we've all seen altercations and temper tantrums on and off the track. However, the money involved has to be significantly greater than MMA.

Anyway, I just want people to know that I have no problem with MMA fights, as long as they are kept on channels that can be regulated.

In case anyone is wondering, I think Sex and the City is even worse for kids. Talk about a training manual for how to be a slut!!!

[C flips]

In case anyone is wondering, I think Sex and the City is even worse for kids. Talk about a training manual for how to be a slut!!!

LMOA!

[dan200]

Talk about a training manual for how to be a slut!!!

As a single guy I appreciate all the help I can get...:D:D:D

[DEZERTSUB]

As a single guy I appreciate all the help I can get...:D:D:D

Glad I could be of service:D:D:D

[creynolds]

as far as people being lazy vs not allowing your kids to watch something...

you mean to tell me that you did everything your parents told you to do as a child? if they want it bad enough, they'll find a way... lol

Absolutely not! Kids are kids and they will find ways to be mischievious and do things that their not supposed to. However, it's the parents responsibility to raise their kids instead of allowing the TV to raise them. It's the parents responsibility to teach them from right and wrong, give them values and an understanding of ethics. For the kids who's parents actually assumed the role of being a parent, they (kids) probably don't consider submitting their unwilling friend to unconsciousness because they understand right and wrong.
My parents intentionally allowed me to make many wrong decisions. While they could have made the right decision for me they allowed me to screw it all up. I'm very thankful for that. They taught me all the necessary foundation to being a good person. But allowing me to make the wrong decisions taught me a whole lot more by learning from my mistakes.
My personal opinion of parenting is not to shelter your kids from the real world. Allow them to see what's real so that when they're in the real world they can cope. Of course your always going to have the few bad apples, regardless of parenting. But that will never change, regardless of TV restrictions or all of our rights being taken away as a whole.

[Infidel Racing Team]

Very respectable points. I thank my Dad for introducing me to Martial Arts from a young age....That gave me self confidence, discipline and many great experiences.

I plan to introduce my kids, (both boys and girls) to Brazilian Jiu Jitsu or MMA if there are kids classes in my small town.....My boy already loves Offroading so expect Lil' Infidel Jr. Posting in RDC in a few years :D

[DEZERTSUB]

My boy already loves Offroading so expect Lil' Infidel Jr. Posting in RDC in a few years :D

Boy isn't that just gonna drive PJC crazy, having two of you to deal with;)

[younggunracer]

Ok, ok ok, where was I this whole thread.....Some good points and some that make me laugh. For you that don't already know I am a professional in MMA. I have been training Kickboxing, Boxing, Wrestling and gaidujutsu for a while now. I have fought all over the country and am with a very good camp with Jackson's MMA.(George St. Pierre, Keith Jardine, Joey Villasenor, Nate Marquert, Rashad Evans, Donnal Cerrone...) Anyways let me touch on a few things. The comment of MMA is like human dogfighting/cockfighting is complete ignorance. MMA at its higher levels is full of incredible athletes, there strong, fast, agile, and very very smart. I have learned so much over these few years I could teach moves day after day for years. How is that like dogfighting? Do you know how much thought and study just goes in to our diet? into our conditioning exersises? Practice? Me and Joey Villasenor(mma) and Holy Holm(women boxing champ) were talking about this the other day. We don't understand why people think the sport is so viloent? Did you know in 15 years of the UFC there hasn't been a single death, a single major head injury, or a single major neck injury. Hmmmm..... lets compare that to the NFL over the past 15 years? Do you think it is even close? Hell no!!! The commisions, orginizations, and reffs that oversee MMA do a great job of keeping everyone safe.

[younggunracer]

Also just wanted to say a few more things about MMA. Reasons I find it so facinating. Any fighter can win at any time. In MMA you cant just be good at one thing, to be succesfull you have to be the best at everything, fights are so much harder to predict because gamplan, strategy, and strengths and weaknesses come into play alot more in MMA then other combat sports! Fights are fast, furious, and full of action. If you lern to understand all asspects of fightingthen MMA is fun to watch no matter where the fights is, standing, on the ground, in the clinch its all exciting to watch.
Most of all for me MMA has given me clear direction in my life and everyday I work by ass off I feel alive, I feel like I accophlished something, I don't know what or where I would be without it but for the rest of my life I will be fighting for the sport of MMA which I can honestly say I will love tell the day I die

[younggunracer]

Snoop showed his true colors when he came to the defense of Stanley "Tookie" Williams, convicted murderer and co-founder of the Crips. Thankfully, he was still executed.

While I don't have as much admiration for Bill O'Reilly as it may seem, he does have the balls to give real interviews, not just soft questions and "why can't we be friends" music. Bill O'Reilly is a man compared to that little hood rat who calls himself S to the N to the double O P to the D O double G ya see!


Real interviews? Sorry I almost spit up my cereal....real interviews like the one's were he cuts people off, talks over them, and never listens to opposing points those interviews? The guy is a joke, he power trips and tries to control everything on his show....But if you like well good luck....

[Infidel Racing Team]

One thing I cant stand about O RANTY is that he claims to have "No Spin". At least Bill Maher recognizes he really biased and he braggs about being extreme and chooses a very liberal crowd, but OReilly claiming being neutral or having the absolute truth drives me crazy.....You have to be a numb nuts to beleive he is close to impartial...

In case you havent seen this video of O Reilly's troubled soul and how fun is to work with an a-hole like him

CAUTION MANY F-BOMBS:
YouTube - Bill O'Reilly freaks out on intern

[FarrisMotorsports]

I think they should televise executions for death row inmates.....what's everyones thoughts on that?:eek:

[Infidel Racing Team]

I think they should televise executions for death row inmates.....what's everyones thoughts on that?:eek:

Kinda Boring for my taste.....Having a man injected and going to sleep is not my cup of tea....You see one, you have seen all.....

[Infidel Racing Team]

Now what really gets me laughing is the Roman Empire analogy rhetoric.

Ironically those “declinists” ignore the fact that the American Revolution was very much inspired in the Roman Empire’s republic…..Hence the term “Republican”.

Rome didn’t fall due to declining morals or civil society corruption, Rome fell due to their erroneous foreign policy (over committed at war abroad) and bad public administration.......Sound familiar?

If anything, It is my opinion that society has never been as sensitive and progressive as it is now.

Why is it Norman Rockwell never painted “Negroes” being segregated in his over idealizing ridiculous paintings of 1950’s America?

Somebody tell these fools "Leave it to Beaver" was fake......

http://img186.imageshack.us/img186/6171/bigd120fze9.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[FarrisMotorsports]

Kinda Boring for my taste.....Having a man injected and going to sleep is not my cup of tea....You see one, you have seen all.....

I didn't say injected. If you murder someone w/ a gun then you get shot too....with a gun. If you steal, you loose a finger....

[Infidel Racing Team]

I didn't say injected. If you murder someone w/ a gun then you get shot too....with a gun. If you steal, you loose a finger....


I think AlJezeera has that show already......It was not a big hit outside Afganistan.....:p:D

Gillette and Revlon dropped out as sponsors....

[SunsetCliffsMocos]

Someone said it earlier here, O'Reilly is bashing MMA out of IGNORANCE. I just finished Sam Sheridan's book "A Fighter's Heart", what a great read. Some of you may have read it already, if not I highly recommend picking up a copy. The book attempts to explain and understand what gives a MMA, Martial Artist, a Boxer and yes even a dog the mental and physical drive or "heart" to make the personal and physical sacrifices to train and fight. The author trains all around the world with some of the top Dojos and "Camps" and his insight is great.

To those that don't want to see MMA, Boxing or violence on television. Don't watch it, block it from your kids using parental controls and teach your friends and children about the subject. I will concede that it isn't that simple though, even if these programs are restricted to premium channels and PPV, they are heavily advertised showing violent highlights clips to entice the viewer to give Dana White and others more of their money. I don't have a solution for that, I guess it goes back to self-restraint and proper parenting.

My main problem I have with O'Reilly and other critics opinions on the sport of MMA is a failure to understand that it truly is a SPORT. No Holds Barred, Elite, Pride, UFC and the others are a long ways away from true "street" combat. Many of the most effective and brutal techniques and moves have been outlawed in competion because they are far too dangerous to be used in competition where fighter's can walk away and live to fight another day. A large percentage of the punks and would-be badasses who chicken chest around the bar or beach would have their ass handed to them in true street combat against someone who has studied and trained even a small amount of these banned techniques. Most people don't take into acount the thousands of MMAs who excercise self-restraint with their skills. It doesn't take too long at the dojo to learn how fragile the human body really is, and how easy it can be to really hurt or mame someone either in the street, in competition or in training. Unfortunately, sometimes one bad apple can spoil the whole bunch.

Ironically, I think Boxing is the closet Martial Art or Combat Sport that competes in it's style with the least amount of rules. Call it if you will the least "watered down". Mike Tyson is the best example I can think of. The guy was robbing old ladies and beating up grown men as a young teenager. Through his trainer Cus D'mato Mike was refined and restrained(take this with as many grains of salt as you see fitting) to be able to legitimately compete by the rules. What Mike was doing in the street and in prison wasn't much different than in the ring. For some reason MMA has been somewhat singled out and attacked by the media for being too violent, yet it has been significantly "watered down" to allow people to train and compete for years and years.

I know this has been a rant, but this is a subject that is dear to me and I hate to see MMA be misinterpreted and attacked through ignorance. What pisses me off even more is how rap "music"(please take this with a salt mine) isn't being attacked by the media for it's violent persona, instead the media is focusing on ATHLETES who aren't carrying guns and spreading thier ignorant lifestyle and messages to today's youth.

End of rant (temporarily).

[DEZERTSUB]

Real interviews? Sorry I almost spit up my cereal....real interviews like the one's were he cuts people off, talks over them, and never listens to opposing points those interviews? The guy is a joke, he power trips and tries to control everything on his show....But if you like well good luck....

If you're so aware of what he does you must watch him too;)

Yes, real interviews. You know, unlike Bill Moyers over at PBS. Did you see that little "heart to heart" he had with Jerimiah Wright? That wasn't really an interview, that was a buddy chat.

Most people dislike Bill O'Reilly cause he is kind of a prick. Well, the world needs more pricks like that to stand up to all the p***ies of the world today.

[Infidel Racing Team]

Most people dislike Bill O'Reilly cause he is kind of a prick. Well, the world needs more pricks like that to stand up to all the p***ies of the world today.

I disagree Donny, no one need pricks......

I am willing to make a bet with you.....The Fox Network is about to make a deal with the UFC to broadcast MMA in their programming....

I bet you Bill O Ranty will change his tune towards MMA.....O' Ranty is just a lame Media Rottweiler that dance's to its masters tune (Fox). If Fox was against Hot Dogs, you would hear O'Ranty blaming Hot Dogs for America's demise.:D

[DEZERTSUB]

I disagree Donny, no one need pricks......

I am willing to make a bet with you.....The Fox Network is about to make a deal with the UFC to broadcast MMA in their programming....

I bet you Bill O Ranty will change his tune towards MMA.....O' Ranty is just a lame Media Rottweiler that dance's to its masters tune (Fox). If Fox was against Hot Dogs, you would hear O'Ranty blaming Hot Dogs for America's demise.:D


There is a reason Bill makes as much money as he does and is as popular (even amongst the haters!) as he is:
He's good at what he does!

I highly recommend a book by "Bill O Ranty":cool: called Culture Warrior. I think you would really like it Gustavo. It offers a lot of insight as to why O Ranty takes the stances he does and why he thinks America is going in the wrong direction.

[scott-dsms]

O' Ranty is just a lame Media Rottweiler that dance's to its masters tune (Fox).

Unlike the other "Trusted" News sources

CNN - Clinton News Network
NBC - Nothing But Clinton
CBS - Clinton Broadcast Service
ABC - All 'Bout Clinton

RE: Oreilly = Fair & Balanced?

Most of the guests on the left side dance around the questions (the usual) and then when he calls them out, or the guest on the right makes a point...they filibuster and wont shut up! Very rude IMO, but nonetheless, typical liberal moves seen all the time when they hear something they don't like. All the while never answering the original question. Wonder why that is?

The Host of a show has to maintain some sort of control over the show which might explain him talking over people sometimes.

[SunsetCliffsMocos]

CNN - Clinton News Network

CNN stands for Communist "News" Network

On second thought I guess you're close, real close!

[aiiraciing]

I cant believe how close minded some people are on this site, so I'm gonna stay out of it as much as possible, but I will say this, Elite XC put on a crappy show last Saturday night and still pulled a peak of 4.1 rating with 6.51 million viewers, read this:

http://sports.yahoo.com/top/news?slug=ys-forbeshazards060508&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

[michael_loomis]

you guys make some good points.. I guess we have to take the good with the bad.. dezert racing is always going to have its share of bros and MMA is always going to have its share of wannabe billy badasses.. its only going to gain popularity, so hopefully the "respect" aspect outweights the "disrespectful" clowns by a good margin.

[EQuin]

Someone said it earlier here... instead the media is focusing on ATHLETES who aren't carrying guns and spreading thier ignorant lifestyle and messages to today's youth.

End of rant (temporarily).

Awesome post on the subject. Couldn't agree more.

[EQuin]

Like Dana said in that interview, how many have been killed or seriously injured in MMA over the past 12 years?

Well, guess I was wrong about MMA not having any fatalities:

http://sports.aol.com/fanhouse/2007/12/02/mixed-martial-arts-fighter-sam-vasquez-dies-of-injuries-sustaine/

I hadn't heard about this til now. Very sad that it happened. Either way, there have still been more deaths desert racing than in MMA sporting events. Even so, I still think amateur MMA needs to require headgear like in amateur boxing, and maybe one-inch thicker gloves and shin guards to be on the safe side. Just my opinion.

[Vtr_Racing]

IRT, your banned but Im sure your still checking this out. Now comon! At least find a clip of Oreilly thats in this century! Lol..... I had hair down to my arse and tube socks to my knees when that youtube segment was aired initially. Lol.... I watch him, Beck, Mathews, Olberman....Try to get all the views, or as much as you can from those shows. I gotta say, as far as what I would term as idiocracy (if thats a word) Olberman is the king of that. He was good on the Channel 5 news in LA for sports though. OReilly knows nothing about MMA so his views are really irrelevant on it.

[younggunracer]

Well, guess I was wrong about MMA not having any fatalities:

http://sports.aol.com/fanhouse/2007/12/02/mixed-martial-arts-fighter-sam-vasquez-dies-of-injuries-sustaine/

I hadn't heard about this til now. Very sad that it happened. Either way, there have still been more deaths desert racing than in MMA sporting events. Even so, I still think amateur MMA needs to require headgear like in amateur boxing, and maybe one-inch thicker gloves and shin guards to be on the safe side. Just my opinion.


Headgear does nothing but stop cuts, Since there are no elbows or knees in Amatuer MMA and not a high number of strikes cuts are not a big issue, Headgear will not help you from getting Ko'd, also with it on chockes of all kinds will be very easy, One inch thicker gloves I can say that might not be a bad idea! Shin Guards, I hate grappling with them on it sucks, but they also wont save you from any big injuries just keep you shins from getting bruised on checks.