Dual Bilsteins

[TrucksR4Girls]

Im gonna be getting upper arms pretty soon from a guy who works at camburg and he said to run dual bilsteins. I was wondering if I could just upgrade to a single shock like a 6100 or 7100 since it would be the same price. And how much are downey upper uniballs usually? thanks

[ACID_RAIN28]

You mean one 6100 7100 instead of two 5100 (regular) ? If I am not mistaken they should be about the same valving options compared to the 6100 and the 7100. The 6100 are a little better quality than the 5100, and the 7100 are nickle plated and user rebuildable. If you wanted to replace two 2" shocks with one it should be at least 2.5" shock. I don't think that replacing the duals with a single 2" shock will do any good except in the wallet, you will loose the ride quality in the front when you compare the differance between the duals and the singles.

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[TrucksR4Girls]

Yeah I just want to have the one shock, or is there not much difference. Because if it doesnt make the ride feel a little more smooth then it wont be worth it huh? So should I just do the dual 5100's?

[ACID_RAIN28]

With the single shock it will not be able to control the wheel travle as well as it would with the duals. Basicaly it wont handle and ride as smooth.

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[TrucksR4Girls]

Oh ok. I get it now! =) Thank ya very much.

[Jordan]

I would go with 1 good prerunner shock over 2, 5100 bilsteins. You should consider some prerunner series shocks over those 5100's. King, SAW, Bilstein and Fox all have nice 2.5" prerunner series shocks that will out perform 2 of the 5100 bilsteins in my opinion. You will spend a little more but never forget you get what you pay for.

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[Jordan]

This isnt a coilver/bypass setup like on a racetruck. For a simple bolt-on type suspension I think 1 good shock will do more than 2 of the 5100 bilsteins will. I agree that 2 good shocks will do more then 1 but I would blow those 5100's in one weekend in the desert. In fact I did several times before moving on to good shocks. :)

[TrucksR4Girls]

Yeah thats what im conserned about my brother has the TC kit and it has dual bilsteins and hes blown them a few times. And I dont wanna have to replace them. But the arms only pull 9" bolt in. And then Aries said to cut off the bump stops make it a uniball set up and it could pull up to 12". But If I just use one shock That will just go in the stock mount wont it? unless I wanna go for 12" then ill have to make a shock hoop huh?

[Custom_Yota]

On my toyota I'm runnin dual 10in. 5100's valved at 255/70 Thats a liittle more than what they say to do but it handles so nice. And once you start getting longer a-arms there is more leverage so it pretty much evens out. I would just go with the 5100's it wil only be about $280 for all 4 schocks And thats about what y ull pay for one 2.5

[TrucksR4Girls]

He said to get 8" dual 5100's but i was thinking of getting 10" because if the arms are supposed to pull 12" wouldnt that make more sence?

[cleartoy]

Chelsea is gonna run an aftermarket upper arm only. She cant run a 2.5" or bigger shock!

When i just had upper arms i ran dual FOX 2.0s with res and it was decent.

If your on a budget chels, just get the dual BIL 5100s, they will do just fine!

5100-6100 and 7100 are all 2" shocks.

5100 is non rebuildable with bushing mounts, 6100 has uniballs, 7100 has uniballs, rebuildable, shcrader valve\resivoir.

Downey does not sell uniballs that im aware of. I know they sell high angle upper ball joints that can be had for about half price at your local Pep Boys, Kragen, Auto Zone,. Just ask for MOOG BJs.

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[TrucksR4Girls]

Thanks David. I guess ill just go with the 5100's. And when i get longer arms Ill just upgrade. And I still havnt put the torsion bars on sheeeeesh!! maybe ill come to your house and you can help me eh?? But yeah you have to go out with me to plaster city its gonna be really fun!! Im leaving monday the 30th and coming back the 1st or 2nd, and on the way home im gonna stop in ocotillo. So just tell your boss your taken the days off to go to the desert with a hott chick, haha!! =) talk to you later thanks for all the help

[cleartoy]

Yeah, just go dual Bils 5100s, thats what i put on my gurls truck up front, and it does nice!

I think it will be more of a problem with my gurl than my boss for Plaster! HAHA@!

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[YotaWhoopRunner]

"i was thinking of getting 10 because if the arms are supposed to pull 12 wouldnt that make more sence? "

Not necessarily, you should cycle your suspension first and then go from there. With a normal shock without bypasses you can run a longer shock with a longer hoop, but there will probably be alot of unused travel in the shock. But with something like a bypass, you would want to maximize the whole travel of the shock or the bypass tubes might not be used and hydraulic zones not reached. Shock travel and wheel travel are different due to different measuring locations.

[TrucksR4Girls]

Hmmm I didnt think about Exie, tell her to go to! Atleast theyll be more people with me in trucks everyone has there race cars! haha
Well thanks everyone I think I got it figured out...kinda! haha

[elcaprerunner]

You might only need an 8" shock. I think alot depends on the mounting position of the shock. For example: My buddy with the white Donahoe Racing Tundra gets 17" of travel out of the front with stock pivot points, yet his coilover/bypass shocks are 8" stroke, in fact his coilover is only 2" diameter, and it has no resevior. Needless to say it works soooooo awesome. Also I though I saw somewhere that Donahoe's old Trophy Truck only race 14" stroke shocks in front and 16"s in the back. But I could be wrong. Any input from the guy who built it.......Kreg?

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[jarreptolson]

what size is his bypass? is he just using the coilover as a coilcarrier? if not it seems a little small for a full size pickup if he plans on doing any serious long range runs.

[ACID_RAIN28]

Just ask some one who has a similar kit what the lenght is on the shocks. I am sure that if the arms come from camburg, who ever you get them from will know. On my chevy I Made the upper arm about an inch longer and with the stock ball joint I pull of 11.5" I am going to run dual 10" on the top. they are mounted just behind the ball joint and have about 10-13 degrees of tilt towards the motor, they are pretty much running vertical, and they are set up to follow the caster of the suspension cycle. Anyway, they have plenty of stroke left at full bump and droop.

I would run dual 10" on your truck, no need to run the risk of overextending and overcompresing them. Who ever does the hoops should be able to fiqure out which shock is needed and they don't have to be bought until it is time to install them. It is easy to fiqure out.

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[TrucksR4Girls]

There not camburg arms though, the guy who made them just happened to start working there after he made the arms, so he has a bunch of sets let over. Im gonna run 10" 2.0 fox shocks. im pretty sure

[ACID_RAIN28]

ahh my mistake i thought you said they were going to be from them through this guy. sorry. I don't think you will be dissapointed with that setup.

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[TrucksR4Girls]

Ya anything is better then stock espeically since the arms are only 225 and then the shocks,so it will be under 500! =)

[elcaprerunner]

Well, on the Tundra none of the shocks are valved yet, so I am not sure. But I am pretty sure the coilover is going to be a coil carrier, but I think it is all in the valving and that is up to Kreg. Hopefully soon Kreg is going to take out him to the dezert to learn how to valve the shocks on it and also to teach the owner how to drive it. That is alot of power and travel for an 18 year olds first prerunner.

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[ACID_RAIN28]

I thought that deaver had the truck already out to play?

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[elcaprerunner]

No, not really, not Deaver anyway. Kreg took it bonzin in the streets of Anaheim jumping off grass hills into the streets and stuff. The guy who owns it does a little bonzin everyday though on his way home from school. They are going to put 72" springs on it because Kreg doesn't think it is soft enough in the back still, but I am not exactly sure about that one. Have you heard about this yet drtdevil? Supposedly he will get 25" of travel out of the back if they do that and will have to put an 18" bypass on the back.

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[ACID_RAIN28]

I recall Dirtdevil saying something about that in a posting a while ago

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[motoxscott]

With all the work they've put into that truck you think they would just link it, rather than setting it up multiple times with leaf springs to get 25" of rear travel. I sure hope this thing see's some dirt soon, because it will be a shame if it ends up a show truck only with all the work and time Kreg has put into it.

To each is their own I guess.

[elcaprerunner]

They don't want to link it because the Tundra is his daily driver and it would be impracticle (not like it isn't already). Also they don't want it in the shop for another 5 months atleast to 4-link it, because if they did it would be all tubes from the cab back, so it would take a while to do. I was over there last night and the thing was all dirty because he was bonzin it all weekend around Brea and Chino Hills and Diamond Bar and stuff, there is some trails that go around there. Plus because it is supercharged he races people at like every stoplight. I agree, Kreg has done an excellent job on this truck, super clean and awesome welds and everything, it was worth the time it took to build. But he still can't bonze it as hard as he wants to (and believe me, the owner wants to) because it still needs to be put to Kreg's abuse in the dezert to totally know how good it will do. I have ridden in it off-road a little and jumping a little with the shocks still not valved and it does awesome.......You have no idea, and yes, the guy will have it in the dirt every weekend, don't you guys worry about that. :)

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