toyota fab

[crashesalot2003]

i am new to dezert racing in trucks and i have an 86 yota 2wd and i want to prerun it for fun and maybe a little racing, i was just wondering what would be the best way to go, i plan on spending about 10 grand to get a full initial truck and i was wondering who makes a good front suspension, and any details about building a truck i should know, including what i should try to build my self and what is better left to pros. any info will be much appreciated.

no brain, no pain

[geoff]

the total chaos kit is really well designed, im building a similar setup so if you want to be creative and make your stuff, theirs is the one to follow.

otherwise get the uniball =) I use to think the price was high until i started making the kit myself.

"We are the music makers, and we are the dreamers of the dreams." -- Willy Wonka

[YotaWhoopRunner]

Well if you have 10 grand to burn, i would buy a used prerunner that is aleady done the way you want it. Unless you are in love with that 86 toyota you will get more bang for your buck.

[crashesalot2003]

i had thought about buying a new truck, but my dad bought the truck with 11 miles on it in 85 and there is a little attachment there, also i live in Spokane Washington and i wouldn't even know were to start looking for a truck.

no brain, no pain

[cleartoy]

Well, if Dad will just give you the truck, you have alot of dough to fix this one up.

Do you have any fabrication experience? Welding, ect?

I have the TC Uniball kit and think its decent for a bolt on kit. There are others out there to consider though.

94 Toyota stdcab 2x4
99 Yamaha YZ250

Got Sand??

[TrucksR4Girls]

What ever you do..DO NOT buy a truck that is already built up... cause you will never know what is wronge with it untill you take it home..and in the long run you could end up spending more then you would to do it from scratch!

[crashesalot2003]

actually dad has already given me the truck and i know how to weld and next semester i am taking a coarse to learn how to use tig welders, plasma cutters, tubing benders, etc., also one of my motocross friend's dad owns a fabrication business and he said i could use some of his equipment he has at his house and he might even give me a job if i become a certified welder, which could give me much needed experience.

no brain, no pain

[crashesalot2003]

i was wondering about vertically mounted uni-balls- i was wondering if it limits your steering radius when used on the upper and lower arms, from the pics i've seen it looks like it. also i saw the thread about uni-ball replacement that showed a new contraption that looked like a u joint and i think i could fab those, but i was wondering if any body knew what kind of bushing or bearing should be used in that application.

no brain, no pain

[ACID_RAIN28]

that style of "u-joint" for a uniball replacement are kinda tricky to make, and most likely cannot be made with simple tools. for this were talking mills, lathes, and a good knowledge of metalurgy(sp). When you use the uniball vertically most of the time you have to make the spindle as well. As for the steering I am not sure. HM uses that style on some of their street kits so it must be able to handle the street use.

Anyone can escape into sleep, we are all geniuses when we dream.

[crashesalot2003]

i was looking at amplified performance site and there arm kit claims 14-16 inches of travel and for around 2 grand, anyone have input about that kit.

no brain, no pain

[sweetdevil]

my buddy works there... he's done some crazy stuff with his truck. We were out at glamis a few weeks ago jumping EVERYTHING in site, and he didn't break anything except for melting a few wires...

Life Sucks.... get a friggin helmet

Heaven Doesn't want me, and hell is afraid I'll take over

[partybarge_pilot]

Talk to Jim the owner of Pro-trux in San Marcos about Amplified. It should be informative.....

[geoff]

is informative a good or bad thing?

"We are the music makers, and we are the dreamers of the dreams." -- Willy Wonka

[singlehanded]

Kinda sounds like when your dad used to say go to your room we need to have a talk! All I know is that it was never a good thing for me.....

midnight landscaper working overtime and I'm full throttle I'm full throttle tonight

[crashesalot2003]

because i dont know how to get ahold of Jim the owner of pro-trux, could some one get him on here to talk to us?

no brain, no pain

[partybarge_pilot]

Pro-Trux 760-761-0170

[orvacian]

Take that truck over to Duffco, Dan knows Toyotas! A truck Duffco built won a MDR race its first time out and it was not a super high dollar truck, just built right! I am really happy with the work they did on my truck too. $10,000 will build a sweet truck if you choose your parts and design right.
<A target="_blank" HREF=http://www.duffcoenterprises.com>www.duffcoenterprises.com</A>
<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1>Edited by orvacian on 11/19/02 10:08 PM (server time).</FONT></P>

[crashesalot2003]

i was wondering about tire size, and the theory of bigger tires. is it tall that is good or does wide help too (besides sand, that is obvious). i was also wondering what size tire is good for a toyota on average.

no brain, no pain

[cleartoy]

The taller the tire, the better it rolls through the whoops. You figure it gets sucked in or falls less in the whoop with bigger diameter.

WIder aired down is great in the sand. Cant argure with flotation.

For your reference, i run 33-12.50-15s at all 4 corners on my 2wd Toyota!

94 Toyota stdcab 2x4
99 Yamaha YZ250

Got Sand??

[crashesalot2003]

i was wondering if you have any tire rub and if you think 35x12.5s would work with a one piece glass up front.

no brain, no pain

[cleartoy]

Yeah the tires will rub the inner fenderwells and just kiss the ivan glass on bottom out. With chopped out fender wells and the 1pc, it would probably work.

In the rear again, the tires hit the inner fenderwells, but are no where near the glass.

94 Toyota stdcab 2x4
99 Yamaha YZ250

Got Sand??

[crashesalot2003]

i was going to take and build an engine cage and one piece glass so there would be no inner fender well, and in the back i am ditching the bed and building from scratch, do you think that would do it? Another question- do you think the steering would need major mods to handle the 35's or if you know any tricks to make the steering work better.

no brain, no pain

[Jkrell]

wth a 35" tire on a toyota 2wd you will break the spindle snout if you off-road it.

One other thing about running a 35" tire...you have to cut the fire wall way back and remove the heater core and move the clutch master cylinder if you are looking to have any kind of bump travel.

Probably the most widely run tire for toyota 2wd prerunners is the 33x10.5 all terrain...it holds up pretty good, is light, and relatively inexpensvie.

Steering on toyotas is pretty much crap stock...whatever size tire you run I would recommend looking into an upgraded steering setup...total chaos by far has the nicest kit...but it will cost about 850 bucks....Duffco has middle of the road kit that works good and will hold up to most punishment for around 300 or 400 bucks.


Jon
www.Duffcoenterprises.com

[TrucksR4Girls]

DONT go to amplified performance I know everyone who works there and first of all the arms are not even seths design. He took someones toy out there after he built it and busted it, jims bump stops were mounted 3 inches to high so at full compresion it didnt use the full bump, he has a T100 and beats it and hes gonna powder coat the arms and sell them as new ones. Everyone who works there is really cool but seth is a ****ty guy and a total ass hole... its a waste of money. He doesnt know naything about trucks, only buggies everyone else there has to do all the work for him, its pretty shady!

[Eric_M]

if im correct, i believe seth had a partnership goin with someone from GT fab (i think) and then the guy from what is now GT fab and seth got in a fight and went thier own ways and now seth uses the design for the arms. i know seth and the guy from GT fab made one kit, the guy drives around o-side all the time and i see his truck at the shoping center to the east of the in-n-out near hocienda (i think thats the street name) i talked with the guy that ownes the truck and he said seth and the guy from GT fab got in a fight and went thier own ways but seth still used the arm design.

PS) i might be wrong about GT fab being the X partner to seth. i appologize to any GT fab people who i have offended if im wrong.

Eric

sand is for people who lack the skills to navigate objects

[TrucksR4Girls]

Yeah im pretty sure your right Eric. I was going to say weld tec..HAHA but i knew that was totally wronge I couldnt think of the right name, but im pretty sure it is GT Fab and im pretty sure it was Danny?? or John who worked there, not 100% sure....sorry if im wronge

[crashesalot2003]

well i'm open for ideas, and anyone out there that has a yota would like to chime in on what is good and bad about the kits they have , or if any one has any other warnings of bad kits out there to stay away from i would much appreciate it.( any websites to look at of good fabricators to see the right way of doing things would help too)

no brain, no pain

[Crashbig]

Alright well I'll give another plug for the T.C. kit, I have the nissan kit, and I'm happy with it, very clean work, and Matts super cool if you ever have any questions, also have two friends one with uni, and one with the ball joint kit and never heard them complain.

The higher you jump the harder you crash so crashbig

[TrucksR4Girls]

My brother has the T.C. Uniball kit, its a kick ***** kit. Really smooth, there costumer service is great there and hes never had any problems with it!

[fishd00d]

Total Chaos kit all the way! Have had my Caddy Kit for the 4x4 Yota for over a year and 0 problems, works great!

Go Big Or Go Home
United Jumping Truck Society

[crashesalot2003]

seems like t.c. is well liked, the other two kits i was exploring was the duffco kit and the ats kit, anybody got any input? it would help alot.

no brain, no pain

[TrucksR4Girls]

Iv heard a lot of bad stuff about ATS. My friend took his truck there, the owner Scott, i bealive his name is, wasnt even there he was on vacation KNOWING my friend was bringing his truck in, so he made him take it all apart and give him a down payment, which most places dont do, since the price is never really final.... and he never got the down payment back so ATS just said they would build him a cage instead..keep it there until he got back. Ask DRTDEVIL from deaver springs, i think he told me a story about one of his friends.

[ACID_RAIN28]

The ATS kit is better built. DEZAVUE (sp) But more costly. Never delt with them directly though.

Anyone can escape into sleep, we are all geniuses when we dream.

[hbprnstr]

I heard the ATS kits are mild steal and not cromoly and other shady stuff about there stuff. I have never dealt with them so dont hold me to that but other fabricators have said that and people that have there products.

[TrucksR4Girls]

Crashesalot, maybe you should go into the actual shops and talk to the actual guys who build the stuff and get there specs on it, because everyone will have different storys about every shop and shady stuff happens to some people and then some people could praise the same place...its all luck of the draw, talk to the guys at TC there all really cool and will talk to you. That would be a better way to go!

[Jkrell]

Duffco a-arms have two wins this season in MDR prerunner class. One one my truck...one on Dan Vances truck...In addition I think dan and I both set fastest laps during our wins....also, dan won the award for the highest jump ever off the wall for a bolt on suspension kit (or for any suspension for that matter).

Duffco does good work and takes care of their customers. The product is truly race tested.

Jon

PM me if you want more info.

[geoff]

Are you referring to the ball joint lwoer with uniball upper

"We are the music makers, and we are the dreamers of the dreams." -- Willy Wonka

[twillis]

I'd go to Duffco, there is a Domino's Pizza right next door to it!

I live my life one paycheck at a time

[crashesalot2003]

trucksr4girls, i would love to go to the shop and talk, well shop, but i live in spokane Washington and it is a long drive that i will not be able to make until this summer probably in june. also i was wondering if these shops insist on installing the kit or they would just supply me the parts because an in house install would be tricky because i would have to stay some where for that whole length of time and there's no knowing how long it could take.

no brain, no pain

[fishd00d]

You can call up Total Chaos and they will ship you their whole kit in a very timly manor.....their Customer Service is top of the line along with the kit!

Go Big Or Go Home
United Jumping Truck Society

[Jkrell]

My Duffco kit has the uniball upper and the Chrysler lower ball joint....I believe Vances has the stock lower ball joint with the uniball upper...I could be wrong though.

I believe Duffco will ship their kit.

jon

[drtdevil93]

ATS did the exact same thing to me. they needed a $3000 deposit up front. it took them about a month and a half to "build" the frontend (without my truck, they built it on a dummy truck). when i stopped by to see it before install, it was an old setup that had been on the truck the whole freakin time. i took a week off work to help with the install, when i got there, scott was on vacation. i had been told it would take a week to install the frontend. when i got there, they told me to remove my frontend, and leave it and it would be done in a month and a half! being my only truck at the time, i told them that wasnt possible. i asked to talk to scott, but they wouldnt let me. they called and talked to him, but wouldnt let me talk. i told them i was gonna go back home and think about it. scott finally called me after i called like 5 times. he was way nice, appologized, accepted responsibility for it, and said i would get a full refund. i asked about a restocking fee, and he said there wouldnt be one. a month later i called to find out why i havent gotten a check. more bs. a couple weeks later i got a check for 1900 (1100 restocking fee), after scott promised this wouldnt happen. i called to talk to him, and wow, he hasnt been able to get to the phone since (been about a year). they usually say he is at the dmv. what surprised me about this is that my shop had been hooking him up big time! usually i wouldnt talk [censored] about a shop like i just did, but i have made so many attempts with them to clear it up, i feel im justified. even with the guy from there that comes on rdc sometimes, who says its all different now, i talked to him and he did nothing. ats isnt shady, they are downright criminal.

erik

[hbprnstr]

Kinda off topic, but does anyone have any pics of Dan Vances toyota by chance??

[SpareChangeRacng]

If I'm not mistaken Dan doesn't own the toyota. Mark his co-driver does. Anyway there are a couple pics on the newest MDR pics on this site. I know there is at least one w/o the hood on - they were having overheating problems. Steve

[JrSyko]

Do a search on here as there was a huge debate about whether Dan's HUGE jump at the wall during a race was a good idea. There was a picture of his truck posted. Also, on Fish's glamis video over Thanksgiving he filmed Dan's truck at the sand drags and some other road. Its in the Whatever section.

See ya in the dirt!

[fishd00d]

Dan owns the toyota 100%...he bought it off Mark a while ago.

We are working on getting a bunch of pictures of it to post in the add.

Go Big Or Go Home
United Jumping Truck Society

[Waldo]

Fish, that video of Dan on the sand hwy is great. Some portions of the video, Dan was pulling you guys on the hwy. That truck is sweeeet! For that last few years rangers have been the go-to truck for prerunning. Before that, everything was toyotas. Nice to see that toy running well.

Whether you think you can or think you can't, you are right.

BTW - Why is Dan selling it? Is he building something else?<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1>Edited by BajaWaldo on 12/09/02 12:27 PM (server time).</FONT></P>

[fishd00d]

Ya we were stuck behind a f150 on the road and they kept slowing down to watch Dan too so we couldn't catch him at parts with them in the way.

He wants to build a new truck (unknown what kind yet) if he sells it...if it dosen't sell watch for it racing MDR again next year.

Go Big Or Go Home
United Jumping Truck Society

[Kritter]

Not fast enough for Dan...he misses his real truck...the Ranger

Kris
"Buy American before it's too late..."

[fishd00d]

Oh its plenty fast...way faster than the Ranger just it dosen't have the suspension to keep up.....

Go Big Or Go Home
United Jumping Truck Society

[Kritter]

Thats what I meant....doesnt matter how big the motor is if it doesnt have the suspension. Defitnitly a cool truck though

Kris
"Buy American before it's too late..."

[Jkrell]

Bring it ranger boy....

[redline]

Just about any kind of truck can be fast if the driver doesnt care about making the vehicle hold together.

[redline]

The duffco kit has definately proved itself on vance's truck. The arms have held up to serious abuse. The frame broke but the arms held up and the arms are still on the truck and working fine.

[Racing5150Guy]

its not the amount of travel you have its the qualitly of travel you got!

[crashesalot2003]

Racing5150Guy, what exactly do you mean by "quality travel?"

no brain, no pain

[BIG_FAT_LOSER]

The frame broke due to a lost / broken urethane bump stop. Bottoming metal to metal over and over again caused the frame to break (common for toyotas). The Duffco arms that caused the frame to break are repainted but, still on the truck.

If your gunna go.........go Ghetto...

[redline]

It was not the arms that caused the frame to brake. It was neglect from jumping truck 10-12ft straight in the air, breaking critical parts i.e. bumpstop mounts, and then racing another 2 laps full speed and just letting the truck fall apart.

[Bryan_D]

I think redline knows whats up with this truck, kinda funny how that works huh devo?

[Racing5150Guy]

SORRY I WASNT PAYING ATTENTION. I AM BACK NOW THOUGH. WHEN I SAID QUALITY TRAVEL VS. TRAVEL I MEAN THAT YOU CAN HAVE 20 INCHES OF TRAVEL AND THE SHOCKS ARE SETUP WRONG AND THE ALIGNMENT IS ALL FUNKY AND THEN YOU HAVE 15 INCHES SETUP REALLY NICE WITH ALL THE RIGHT SHOCKS AND BUMP STOPS AND ALIGNMENT AND IT WILL SURPRISINGLY RUN ALOT BETTER THAN THE 20 INCH TRUCK. I HAVE SEEN THIS BEFORE.

[BIG_FAT_LOSER]

I guess my vantage point (in the cab of the truck) was not as good as yours.

If your gunna go.........go Ghetto...

[crashesalot2003]

i was wondering if anyone could clue me in on the difference between hydrolic and nuematic bump stops and which are better, flaws, advantages, etc.

no brain, no pain

[drtdevil93]

and dan didnt drive the truck after the jump, he got out and another guy, Julio, finished for him. Julio is a very smart driver (was racing a 9 car for a long time).

erik

[fishd00d]

Actually says a lot that the truck was still able to finish and hold first place....

Go Big Or Go Home
United Jumping Truck Society

[SANDlessNSeattle]

Hey Crash I'd go with the T CHAOS stuff I have met Matt and from what I can see his stuff looks real good as far as ATS well I see some of you have had your differences with that group I hope they get all that straightened out hate to see anyone get shafted

Start drinking till you see double and act single

[crashesalot2003]

i think your right, it seems the general concensus is that the T.C. kit is best now i just have to sell my kidneys and any other bodyparts i dont need and build the truck, lol. i'll probably start ordering parts and stock pileing until i have enough to get started and then go at it so you all will probably be hearing some more indepth questions about this subject.

no brain, no pain

[redline]

the truck wouildnt have ended up in the condition it did if there wasnt some negleglect. and it wasnt the arms fault. when you run some with no bumps something have to give. it was either going to be the frame or the arms and the frame was the weaker part.

[fishd00d]

Well your not exactly gona stop in the middle of a race and weld on new bump stops or something when you are out in front....

Go Big Or Go Home
United Jumping Truck Society

[drtdevil93]

correction: julio drives a class 11.

erik

[WFODAN]

Devin ,

To say that neglect caused the frame to break is a pretty bold statement . It wasn't the arms that caused the frame to break nor was it the torn off bump stops that did it either . It was the ground .... As the truck was coming down from the jump I tapped the brakes to bring the front end down . I did it because I knew the bump stops had been gone for more than half of the first lap already and landing back wheels first would have put more force on the front end and caused it to slam even harder into the ground . Instead , when it came down front wheels first the frame actually hit the ground about half way up the face of the last whoop causing the truck to almost stop . 50 mph to about 10 mph in a few feet is gonna hurt something , especially when it's the frame that stopped it . So it was just a matter of breaking the weakest point which is right behind the upper arms where the mount is factory welded on . So I would like to know where you find the neglect in that ?? As for the bump stops being torn off ..... I didn't buy them . They were given to me while prepping the truck for the race by you guys . I was told that they were stronger than the old bumpstops that I had previously used ...... We both learned that they were not . No big deal , I wasn't sour about it . I just don't use those bump stops anymore . The old kind that Duffco Dan had always given me worked better , so that's once again what I use on the truck . The other ones didn't fall off either . The backing plates for both of them are still mounted to the old frame . The material just fell apart . Once again I don't see the neglect ....


Dan Vance

[Skyler]

On my daily driver toyota, I broke the frame in the same spot, and that was after three and a half years of beating the thing in the desert all the time and still commuting about 200 miles a week. You can't blame it in the bumpstops breaking or the arms designed wrong, basically [censored] happens!

<font color=green>Skyler</font color=green>
<A target="_blank" HREF=http://www.dmsrace.com>www.dmsrace.com</A>

[redline]

dan,
the one point that shows neglect is you already knew that the bumpstops were shot and still you skyed the hell out of the truck. If you think thats fine and not neglect then have at it.
Neglect:
1 To pay little or no attention to; fail to heed; disregard:
2 To fail to care for or attend to properly:
3 To fail to do or carry out, as through carelessness or oversight:
Its just your style of driving. You are Bad ***** when it comes to driving but the truck was not originally built to hold up to being a full race truck.

[fishd00d]

I dont think that there is such thing as Neglect DURING a race. As soon as that flag drops and you take off you will rig anything anyway you can to finish the race. There is not much you can do once you start the race. Go Big Or Go Home!

It would be different if the race was started with no bump stops...

Go Big Or Go Home
United Jumping Truck Society

[AZmiik]

Wasn't it the lotus engineer that said a perfect race car will fall apart as soon as it crosses the finsih line.

Mike

[ACID_RAIN28]

NEW THINGS + GOING FAST + BREAKING EVERYTING / DOING WHAT EVER IT TAKES TO WIN = RACING...OR FUN

The only time that you could ever neglect a race car is during a race is....never, neglect is onlt found in the garage when there race is over or about to begin. I could undersand if the parts were falling apart and things were cracked before the race, but it is highly unlikely that dan would have entered a truck like that, necessitating(sp) the term neglect. I think the proper term for this is BAD ***** NEVER LIFTING DRIVING!

Never a dull moment with MR. Seevers

IF ALL ELSE FAILS.......DROP THE "HAMMER"!

[SANDlessNSeattle]

Neglect ....is Not racing a race car....That's the only Neglect I can think of...YOU hear that Dave get that Dunright out of the shop.....Reggie buil it ....so Race it you pp head

Start drinking till you see double and act single

[ACID_RAIN28]

OUCH some one is need of getting laid. Buddy I think you are cross threaded. Reggi built the ranger and as for the red 4wd car I belive dale said that nye and dave built it. If dunright built it well than that is an error on my part for beliveing the owner and clark. No one is perfect. Sorry to all those dunright suppoters that were emotionaly damaged by my apparent false clame. Damn should have taken a pen a paper so i could get it right. hmmm I love a good battle.

check my homepage.....wait... racing, yup that is it. And as far as I remember my Famaly and I have been racing my whole life and most of theres. And in the works of buying a new one car.



IF ALL ELSE FAILS.......DROP THE "HAMMER"!<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1>Edited by ACID_RAIN28 on 12/17/02 10:29 PM (server time).</FONT></P>

[ACID_RAIN28]

Typo not a class one car. just a new race car.

IF ALL ELSE FAILS.......DROP THE "HAMMER"!

[NOODLE]

Nye Frank and Dave C. built the AWD class 1.

H.O.R.E.
Hemet Off-Road Enthusiasts

[orvacian]

WFODAN, that particular jump had nothing to do with racing. You actually lost a lot of time by doing it. It was a "go big or go home" thing and it was a awesome jump. I think you knew exactly what would happen to the truck. #1-Everyone would agree that you are a great driver and it's a lot of fun to see you sky that thing! #2-Everyone who was there would agree that you were abusing the truck.
I think #1 is what its all about for you, so does #2 really matter?

<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1>Edited by orvacian on 12/18/02 01:11 AM (server time).</FONT></P>

[SANDlessNSeattle]

OK now that this thread is way off base....The second part of my post was NOT directed at you Acid soooo JUST TAKE A MINUTE, PUT DOWN THE BONG, AND KNOW WHEN TO SAY WHEN.....

Start drinking till you see double and act single

[ACID_RAIN28]

Well If it wasn't directed to me I apologize for jumping back at you.

You need to LEARN how to reply and to post then, there is a TEST board for newbie's.

IF YOU LOOK AT YOUR POST YOU REPLYED TO ACID_RAIN28....ME AND MY NAME IS DAVE SO........ 2 AND 2 IS 4, and you if you had the day I did yesterday you would have kicked back as well.
gota crawl before you can walk, I had to learn the hard way.
Besides all that, I thought that this place was designed to learn, share ideas, and relay news, it doesn't say Jerry springer.com at top does it, mabey all those killer "bong rips" did a number on me, ohh well enough of the personal bashing. next?


I agree that this thread is way off

IF ALL ELSE FAILS.......DROP THE "HAMMER"!

[SANDlessNSeattle]

OK back to school time for everyone I guess, If you don't know me, don't own a dunright then it must not be you, Right???? so 4-2=2 correct??as for the end of the personal attacks..I'm all for that and I'm sorry you had a bad day...but trust me life deals out alot of them sooo so belt up the 5 points and enjoy the ride kid..........

Start drinking till you see double and act single

[JrSyko]

I think everybody needs to take a deep breath. Anybody seen Fish's baseball?

See ya in the dirt!

[ACID_RAIN28]

Just pay attention

Sorry chump not a kid

So when is the next time that Dan is going to race that truck or has he sold it and moved on?

IF ALL ELSE FAILS.......DROP THE "HAMMER"!

[ACID_RAIN28]

Its hit deep into right field!

IF ALL ELSE FAILS.......DROP THE "HAMMER"!

[SANDlessNSeattle]

Going going ........GONE

Start drinking till you see double and act single

[fishd00d]

Watch for the Toyota at the Wild Wash Feb 1st!

Go Big Or Go Home
United Jumping Truck Society

[Jkrell]

I've been meaning to post this for a few days....with all the trash talking going on I guess this is as good a thread as any to put it.

WFODAN - I'm calling you out....Did you say you wanted another shot at that Duffco Toyota...if so my friend don't sell your truck yet and you've got it at the wildwash.

I have to admit that new motor of yours makes me lose sleep at night...but bring it...lets see if you can keep the reigns on your right foot and keep your rig together.

I'm pretty sure Jason Lafortune (orange toyota in this months off-road) is racing also...and with erik, and tyson, who knows maybe we'll see 10 or 15 prerunner trucks out at this race....good times ahead.

Jon

[WFODAN]

Jon ,

If you're calling me out then let's make this a little more exciting . How about a side bet ?? Are you ready to put your money where your mouth is ?? You already beat me once ..... How hard can it be to do it again ??


Let's get a side bet together for all the people entered in the class . There does seem to be alot of possible entries for the Wild Wash , so let's ad a little something for the winner . I've wanted to do something like this in the class all of last season , but never got it done . Let's all put our heads together and come up with an amount to spike some interest for the trash talking pavement pounders to bring there trucks out and race .


Our bet will have to be a little different .......Let's bet for the win and let's put up a dollar amount per nerf . Since you are the one calling me out I guess you won't be asking me again at the start not to nerf you when I pass this time . Break out the angle iron brother !! I've got the rear start down , so my advice to you is......... RUN !!!!!


Don't even stop if you find Fish's baseball .


Dan Vance

[fishd00d]

Oh hell...this is gona be great!
I can't wait to be in that right seat when we give Jon a little tap-a-roo! Just a nice little tappy tap.

And ya don't stop if you find my baseball because we will be so far ahead that i'll have time to get out and get it....if you want radio in the location if you find it though!

Its ok don't be scared and let it keep you up at night....

Go Big Or Go Home
United Jumping Truck Society

[WorkInProgress]

Looks like we got some rivalries going on here! Be intersting to see where this goes?

[SANDlessNSeattle]

OOOHH boy I wish I could be there....side bets that's how all the ''PRO'' things got started..I can just see it now ''PRO-PRERUNNER" how cool is that...RIGHT ON BOYZ GO FOR IT!!!! AND HAVE FUN DOING IT!!!!

Start drinking till you see double and act single

[crashesalot2003]

this sounds like the race just got more interesting, you guys have to keep me imformed on whats going on with this i am curious to see were it leads. i wish i could see this one.

no brain, no pain

[Kritter]

Looks like the Duffco Toyotas are calling everybody out! Where are all the 6k caddy kits at? Jon...i'm rootin you no but you better have some tricks up your sleeve to be able to pull his VP drinkin beast of a motor!

Kris
"Buy American before it's too late..."

[Bryan_D]

I might just have to come from AZ again and watch the race. Last time I got to run around with everybody chasing the Duffco truck so lets do it again. This will be a blast hopefully!!

[ACID_RAIN28]

When is this Race? Hell if I am there I put some in the pot just to see all the others try a little harder to catch dan

IF ALL ELSE FAILS.......DROP THE "HAMMER"!

[Jkrell]

Let it begin...Side bet it is...no bets for nerfing....you want to say hi on your way by thats fine... but Dan this is racing...not bumper cars...so whats the $ and how do we get in contact with all the drivers.

As for passing me...Don't worry, I am practically counting on it....WFODAN 110 percent from the line....I wouldn't dream of standing in your way to a broken truck.....with that motor and your weighted foot I bet you catch me before mile 5...and break your truck by mile 10.

Maybe you and fish can play a little catch if you find his baseball while your fixing your truck on the side of the course.

Jon

[frankh]

Dan, I'll play the nerf game with you, How much if I can push you to a 120mph?

[WFODAN]

Jon ,

Nerfing is racings way of saying hi as you pass . But don't be too upset about getting nerfed . I told Fish we won't nerf you until we lap you . That should be about your second lap . If I was you I'd request front start , because if there are 15 trucks in the class it might take me till mile 6 to pass you then . As for the break at mile ten ....... the only break will be me taking one to let you catch up !! And Fish and I will probably be playing catch after we finish waiting for you to finally cross the line yourself . We'll be so far ahead of you that we will have enough time for a full nine inning game .


As for getting ahold of the rest of the drivers for the side bet , Patricia can give us the numbers of the ones not registered on this site . I think most of them should be players in the deal . We can go as low as let's say $100.00 per car ?? I wouldn't want you to have to take any more money out of your student loans . In other words ........... Don't quit your day job .


Remember you spell my last name V-A-N-C-E when you write the check .


Dan Vance

[WFODAN]

Just look up frank so you remember what name to put on the check also . If you pushed me then Jon would say I cheated or something . LOL !! Gotta give love to the class 1 car . Are you guys in for the side bet ??


Dan Vance

[frankh]

I'm sure carolyn is in per race and year end.

[redline]

Dan,
Since it is street legal prerunner class and all. I will give you 100 bucks if you win and drive your truck home.... After all the class is for trucks that drive on the streets. I doubt that would ever happen. as for my guess of who is going to win i cant really tell. If you dont break then chances are pretty good you'll win. but what are the chances of that? Also even if you do lap everybody by lap two but dont finish the race you still lose and you cant blame it on your truck. Thats racing! Good luck to everyone though and dan i hope you prove me wrong.

[WFODAN]

Devin ,

First off " bench racer " I've never blamed the truck for any breaks . I've said it hundreds of times that I race for fun . Not always to win , just to have a good time , and sometimes that means tearing something up . I break the truck . It doesn't break itself . Also if you made it out to a few races you'd see that I do often drive my trucks home after a race . I drive the Toyota all over almost daily . Not too far , but it gets about 100 miles per week put on it on the street . So ...... I'll be happy to take your $100.00 for driving it home also .

So now my challenge is for you to prove me wrong Devin ....... Build something and come race with us . Don't care who's truck it is , but I want you to drive for 100% of the race . If you can beat me , I'll give you ten to one odds on your $100.00 . I thought you told me that guy wanted to race his V8 Toyota ?? There's your chance . An easy grand , since you said that thing would smoke me too . See you at the race ............ Bring money !!


Dan Vance

[John_Bitting]

This is great. I am going to make some popcorn and watch this thread all day.

"faster than it looks"

[Waldo]

Second that John...this is fun! The race should be a good one...FISH, PLEASE TELL ME THAT YOU WILL RIG UP SOME IN-CAR CAMERA!!! We would all love to see and hear the action. Any of the other racers could do the same. Talk about a mini metal bash (literally). Good luck!

Confucius Say - "For every man who do Flying-W, come down with nuts in mouth."

[fishd00d]

Oh yes I wouldn't miss the incar for the world....It will be in there along with sound!

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[Waldo]

*RFO*

Confucius Say - "For every man who do Flying-W, come down with nuts in mouth."

[Tyson]

Well shat. . .Jon, Dan. . .I'M IN! I have to build me some bumpers by then, and I wont have any front glass (thats still legal to start that way right?) but I'll do a little side bet to see if I can win my first race ever.

See you at the races!

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[Jkrell]

Dan-
I realize nerfing is saying hi...thats what I ment by it....just not with angle iron at 30 mph over the other person....thats saying a lot more than "hey buddy hows it going"....if I recall didn't a 1 car say hi to you like that in your ranger a couple years back....I don't remember you being thrilled about that.

As for lapping me ledfoot...I think you need to take a long look at the lap times from our last race.....and dont forget how I caught you on the course during my last lap when I was running hard putting time on second place.(o yeah, you were on your second to last lap....because you broke your truck....just in case you didn't remember).

So what are you going to break this race and at what mile marker....I bet we could get another side bet on this if anybody wants to set it up....what have you broken so far...idler arm, steering knuckle...engine mounts...FRAME...the list goes on....what mile marker did you make it to last race...the questions are just what mile and what part?

And your right, putting up that hundred bucks will cut into the student loans a little but its worth it to walk away with your money....I'm expecting cash from you at the finish line....I'll be there waiting for you by the time you get there.

and Devin...Dan's right...talk those farmers into bringing out that V8 toyota...just more fun for the party.

Jon.

[WFODAN]

Jon ,

LOL !!! Let's go threw the last race one more time for ya . We started one spot apart . you had a thirty second lead . I think I caught you at about mile marker 1 . I stayed ahead of you until the sand wash where you passed me with a about a 15 mph advantage ( yes my old motor sucked ) . After we got out of the sand I caught you again withing a mile . I played with you for a few miles , then got bored and went around . I never saw you again that lap . I pulled into the main with good lead on you for only being out there one lap . Then Mark wanted to drive ........... he got in and broke the truck at mile 6 . he had never raced before and put the steering onto a big rock . After waiting over an hour to get it fixed . we took off again . You had already lapped us . I got back in the drivers seat and passed you while you were in your pits to take my lap back , but I was still almost a full lap down . The steering was still giving us problems so we had to stop two times to get it welded . The second time we were stopped I could see you coming down the track . I told the guys to stop welding and we took off to race some more . We were a lap down so it didn't matter we were just having fun . The race back to the finish was a good time . we both about endoed at the same time . It looked cool from my view . Of coarse you won . That's why I say it should be easy for you to do it again right ? LOL!! So to answer your question .... I didn't break the truck that race . mark did . This race will be all you and I brother , so prep your stuff extra good . I was cocky for victory after my first race of my life ( which I won also by over two hous in an eleven truck field , lapping second place twice ) , but it wore off for the next race when I destroyed the truck and DNFed . Just something for you to think about when you go to bed at night . You don't want to be a one hit wonder do you ??

You're right cash is better . I'll be waiting at the finish line for you to pay up .

Dan Vance


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[Bryan_D]

Ya Devin bring the fruit hauling race truck to the race. They owe you that much, the dunes can be without for a weekend. Devo I know you can drive now lets put it to the test in a race.

[WFODAN]

Oh yea .... as for the nerf from the one car . I wasn't even in the car . Pat K. was and they moved off the track and TCS still hit them . So it was a little different than just a nerf , he hit them mostly in the side when they were out of his way off the track . Pushed them enough to stick the truck in the sand . Little different then messing around nerfing someone .

Dan Vance

[frankh]

If you race 1450 and want to side bet, let Dan or me know.

We are thinking something like.... $100 per race. Half goes to the race it's self and half to year end. 70% for first and 30% second for the race and year end. Times will be as per MDR posting. If you only want to bet on the race then is $50, but you are out for the year end. IE: half way through the year you can't start betting for year end. If you start in the year end bet then you have to pay in each and every race that you do start in our your out and any money put in the pot stay in the pot.


Anybody in?

[fathead1]

Oh this is getting better by the hour, I want to race too!
Does anybody need a co-pilot? (yea right )
I'll be glad to help out with entries and side bets.
when is the race? and where? I'll be there.....

[fishd00d]

Feb. 1st in Barstow off Outlet Center Drive......

Go Big Or Go Home
United Jumping Truck Society

[hbprnstr]

I thought desert racing was about helping your fellow racer and ish, not this pissing contest you guys got going on here. Dont get me wrong its funny as hell to read, but it reminds me of my import street racing days with all the trash talk. Just my two cents.

[sweetdevil]

It is trash talk, but I love it because this site is moderated. So instead of the usual forum where everyone is acting like a 12 year old, spewing out every foul word they know, you guys have to tactfully bash each other, almost in a polite way... It's so entertaining to read. I know some of you guys may have some harsh feelings for each other, but I'm guessing most of you would help the other if it came down to it. And as for this being a pissing contest, you're men, well some of you are, it's gonna happen. Racing is still a competitive sport, and there's obviously some very competitive people here who love to have fun! So have fun, be competitive, play your mental race here, and we'll see who can piss the farthest on the 1st!!!

Life Sucks.... get a friggin helmet

Heaven Doesn't want me, and hell is afraid I'll take over

[John_Bitting]

Hey Adam this is desert racing. It goes on every race for every class. At Primm Don Roberts put up huge money if anyone could pass him and then put up his rolex to anyone that could nerf him. Its called bench racing, which stops once the green flag waves, Its all about having a good time. The page is not that moderated yet. This thread although has veered a little still is about toyotas. There is not hate just a couple of guys having fun.

"faster than it looks"

[Kritter]

I hope some of the guys/gals in class are pissing with a tail wind!!!!

Kris
"Buy American before it's too late..."

[desertracer]

Hey Frank,
Are you planning on racing this race? It sure would be nice to get a few 1 cars out there between the other two big races. This whole toyota race sounds fun, it will be fun to watch out on the course. Glad to join the nerfing game.jk Should be a fun one.

MDR #112

[Jkrell]

Dan,

Lets hit that race recap again....

I start in front of you 1 position, you catch me at mile 15 (driving your 110 percent no doubt, I'm driving at about 80 percent with my codriver telling me to slow down the whole time)....I passed you back in the sand wash (I thought you were just playing with me...I only have a stock motor too)...you pass me back in the hills and then I get a flat equaling 10+ minutes of down time (damn high lifts)...you finish lap one in front of me (I think less than my 10 minutes of down time though)....lap two I wasn't in the truck...all I know is I got back in the truck on lap three and hadn't seen you yet and I was on the chase of 1499 who I had to real in and put 3 minutes on....I next catch you on the course (I'm driving about 100 percent now trying to put time on 1499) during that last 5 mile stretch back to finish....and your right that was good times...no doubt I would have taken you if I could have taken my truck over 3000 rpms (clutch burning up)...no excuses, just the facts.

As for being cocky...maybe a little... and really I can only hope to live up to the WFODAN reputation of destroying a truck my second time out....and maybe my third, fourth, fifth.......LOL!

As for prep....dont worry about me all my bolt are tight...I'll be testing sunday at outlet center if you want to get a little preview.

Jon

[frankh]

We are going to race the class 1 at most of mdr races and the 500, class 12 at san felipe, 1450 at all of mdr. 5 car is up in the air, dale say it is more fun to co-ride in the one car then drive it so is on the back burner.

[redline]

dan,
I tried to get the yota to come out but i got shot down but i think there is still a slight chance. i am going to try and work on. And as far as the bench racing comment goes yes for now i am because i do not have the budget or the time to build a truck to race. someday i will and im not saying i will be able to beat you but i will give you some comp. Also referring back to a comment you once said yes you do race for fun but also in that conversation you said if in a race you are a lap ahead of your comp and your truck brakes it doesnt really matter because your equipment let you down and the race was already over because you were so far ahead. that was what i was referring to ealier. Also i have never seen you be able to drive the toyota home after a race. You are a hell of a driver but could be even better if you could get things to stay together. You are a good guy and driver and i dont have anything against you just your a lil cocky.

[sweetdevil]

No! Don't ya'll start kissing and making up now... this was just getting really good!

Life Sucks.... get a friggin helmet

Heaven Doesn't want me, and hell is afraid I'll take over

[WFODAN]

Jon ,

Come on now bro ..... I'll let you stretch it a bit , but you think I didn't catch you till mile marker 15 ??? The sandwash starts just after mile marker 6 , and that's where you say you passed me back . It's alright rookie , this is an open book test . You can go back to the MDR course notes for the track and see your mistake . This time don't worry I'll help ya .... I'll have fish hold up the fingers for which mile marker it is as we pass you . And don't worry about his safety for not holding on while he's doing it . He will only have to use one hand to show ya .

I hope you put a new clutch in your truck for this race cause I don't want to hear excuses when you pay me ............ Just pay me . School is out ROOKIE !!



Dan Vance

[fishd00d]

Jon,

Just so you know I am not trying to be mean giving the bird when we pass you I am just showing you what mile marker it is.....

Go Big Or Go Home
United Jumping Truck Society

[WorkInProgress]

Ahhh, haha!

[drtdevil93]

i went out testing in barstow last weekend w/ dave and julio. was very pleased with the LC motor. if AJ can get the new frontend finished up by feb. 1, then you should all pray that i start in front of you. jk, no hitting people for me, i prefer to break my own truck, and let otheres break theirs themselves. plus i cant afford to buy new fiberglass each race, so if you hit me, chances are you will have to see the same jacked up glass for a couple races.
plus jeff got a hold of the "fuzzy pickle" 7s, so im probably gonna have to stop a couple times to fix him. especially since im the pickles prep guy.

erik

[Jerry Zaiden]

Well I think I need to step in. If I make it to this race (60% chance) in our new (old with 125k mi on the stock 4.0 with cats and everything "real street legal truck"). The 2 of you guys are racing for second :)...LOL,

Lets see where this goes..

[mattrick88]

lol, this is getting good now.

[WFODAN]

Jerry ,


Just make sure your amber light is working good ........ I'd hate to run you over in the dust . LOL !! I hope you do make it to the race . I've been waiting for you guys to join us .


Dan Vance

[fishd00d]

Jerry if you make it you might see 2 fingers out the net....

Go Big Or Go Home
United Jumping Truck Society

[Jkrell]

This is going to get ugly if leaf spring toyotas are chasing down four link rangers....you guys aren't going to have a chance.

JON

[SANDlessNSeattle]

Jerry I'm pulling for you bud...get the ranger up, and take that toy money...good to see your still around.... Damn I may just have to come down and see the show....I mean it....Scott

Start drinking till you see double and act single

[evan_clanin]

i might have to take a few poeple out there ant pop the tailgate down and show them what dezert racing is all about, sounds like it would be worth the 4 day drive

i wana be like austin when i grow up, he gets all the chicks

[NorCal_Prerunner]

Makes me want to drag the trophy 88 out to a MDR race......
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It's never too late to be what you might have been....

[Tyson]

I dunno about that. I'm not to worried about chasing down 4 linked rangers they will only have a few inches of travel on me. :-P

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[Jordan]

ahh the joys of desert racing...

[Curtis Guise]

Anyone know if a Supercharger is legal in the prerunner class?

[Jkrell]

seriously though, I know I can take old leadfoot no problem....but Jerry you guys are going to be a totally different story....Just wave when you go by.

[Jkrell]

Bring it out nor_cal....more fuel for the fire.

[Waldo]

The old "lil mac" was a leaf truck and kicked ass! I am sure there are many other leafed trucks that can outwit, outplay, and outlast the other survivors.

Who won survivor last night anyway...I was playing poker.

Confucius Say - "For every man who do Flying-W, come down with nuts in mouth."

[WFODAN]

Curtis ,

There is no reason why a supercharger is not legal in 1400 and 1450 . If they can let V-8 Rangers and dual carb Toyotas run , they can't say anything to you . Bring the T 100 out . Remember It's pretty tough to smog your car with a fuel cell , and you have to have a cell , so the only real rule is current registation . They aren't the smog police . They just want to make sure that you have all the safety stuff and the regi is current . So with that in mind , I don't think they would really have a problem with the supercharger .


Dan Vance

[Kritter]

Lil mac isnt old...Cory and Doug still run it. It runs with the Protrucks when it doesnt break!!!...It's all about horsepower.

Kris
"Buy American before it's too late"

[Waldo]

There are also frequent posts about "quality vs. quantity" that are taken into consideration.

Confucius Say - "Every man who do Flying-W, come down with nuts in mouth."

[Curtis Guise]

Smog won't be a problem and I have two years now until it needs it. I just need all the parts so I can get started building it. I have ordered most of the parts but still need more to get started. I have no idea when it will be finished. Hopefully before summer, maybe alot sooner if everything comes in quick.

[Littlenutts]

T100??? I think I may have to bring mine out! This sounds like too much fun to miss.

They are REAL!

[crashesalot2003]

could anyone tell me what the qualifications are for 1400 or 1450, so i will know what to do when i build my new truck? i don't need word for word legal *****, i just need the basic outline. any info will help.

no brain, no pain

[Kritter]

cage/harnesses/fuelcell/street legal

Kris
"Buy American before it's too late"

[SANDlessNSeattle]

A full on race truck with a liscense plate and a 10 disc changer.........LOL

Start drinking till you see double and act single

[SpareChangeRacng]

Man this is getting good! Too bad my truck will not be done in time - I'd love to see how she does. I will be there though - as long as Craig (#1499) is good to go I'll be there! I wouldn't miss this one. Steve

[John_Bitting]

Jon do not worry about this thread. You guys are bench racing and that is great. We enjoy reading stuff like that. If you were bagging on Dan for breaking all the time that is different you are backing words up with offering of a spankin and money at the next race.

"faster than it looks"

[crashesalot2003]

i better go start building my 300,000 dollar streetlegal TT so i can get in on this side bet, LOL!

no brain, no pain

[frankh]

John is the bronco ready are you in.

[John_Bitting]

Frank, I sold the bronco and bought a 79 chevy blazer. I need to have a motor built for it and going to get it caged. I want to get a lot of seat time in it before I decide anything, I have always wanted to race just once. If I cant talk Gabe into running his ranger we might just have to run the blazer not anytime soon though.

"faster than it looks"

[SANDlessNSeattle]

Side bets always make things more interresting...I saw Tom Koch hit one of those big rocks out at Ridgcrest one time on a 20.00 side bet with Jeff Quinn and I on who would lead who on the first lap....You know the really big rocks that are connected to sub surface mountains......the one's that don't move....Boy that sure was an expensive side bet.......I guess your not running hard, till you hit something hard???.....LMAO!!!!!

Start drinking till you see double and act single

[Greg]

Oh boy, I had thought of racing the ranger this race but didnt think Id have time to get it ready, looks like work might slow down a bit and give me some time. This post has got me all fired-up. Looks like I better start wrenching if I'm gonna be able to keep up with those toyotas.

Greg http://prerunners.com/images/assorted/rockdevil.gif

[Kritter]

arent you a 1400 class Greg...not 1450?

Kris
"Buy American before it's too late"

[John_Bitting]

I think he can be either or, I think one runs for money and the other for trophys.

"faster than it looks"

[frankh]

Yea, the class are the same except you pay the high entry and there is a payback in 1400. I think you get more lap too.

[twillis]

I want to see some real competition at this race, so I'll bring out a keg at staging, and drive it over to the winning team's pit after the race. You guys are now racing for beer! Any one else able to come up with guac or salsa and some chips????

I live my life one paycheck at a time

[fishd00d]

Thats cool, I'll bring some cheese and Jon will have plenty of Whine.

Go Big Or Go Home
United Jumping Truck Society

[Jkrell]

I'm sure we'll leave the whine for leadfoots camp....but Austin here's the deal... how about you bring out your kick ass toyota and then start talking smack....if I remember correctly duffco dan spanked your time out in rialto with no long travel leafs and single 2.0 fox's in the rear......just something to think about.

Jon

[fishd00d]

Ya I was waiting for this to be brought up. I never said I have a kickass toyota, where ya get that from?....Its called "The Piece" not "The Kickass"....I do not have the funds to race this race. BUT The Piece WILL race a MDR race this year. What other race are you planning on racing this year? Let me know and I WILL be there!

Also to set the record straight I did not have long travel leafs at D-Day. I had STOCK leafs (not even Deaver replacments) with 9" travel and enough axle wrap to wrap up all your christmas presents.


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United Jumping Truck Society

[fishd00d]

Ok here are the D-Day results just to let ya know Jon.

4:26:60 DAN KEIFER
4:30:63 AUSTIN FARNER

Ok ummm 4 seconds over 3 miles?? Looks like a whooping to me....considering that Dan has a locker and gears and smaller tires (things which count on short course) and his truck is half the weight of mine and the wheelbase of single cab is ideal for short course....The Piece has 35's with stock gears and an open diff......

Dan is a good driver for the truck that it is! Thats why he got 3rd in the class....he looked to be one of the faster trucks all day.

Also Jon as I remember I think I saw your truck sitting there on the sidelines looking pretty is that where you are calling me out from?...Or was that a different truck? :)

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United Jumping Truck Society

[rdc]

FISH YOU ARE GOING RACE AND MDR RACE NEXT YEAR WHICH ONE YOU THINKING ABOUT DOING ?????

[Jkrell]

looks like I pushed some good buttons with that post....sorry for my wrongfull accusation of long leafs at D-day...I stand corrected.

I will probably be at races 1 and 2 and then away for the summer....I might try and make a couple more after I get back....I look forward to racing with you.

And yes, that was my truck sitting in the Duffco booth at D-day....I just brought it out for dan to display in the booth....it still had'nt been prepped since the wildwash race...I figured better to just display it than run it and break it with duffco sticker flying on the side....I'm kinda glad I made that decision too...I just finally got around to prepping it this past week and I had about an 1/8-1/4 of play in one of my upper uniballs from beating on it so hard a the race....I bent the bumpstop mount and was mashing the uniballs at full bump for a lap and half....good times.....but dont worry...its all back together now and ready for you and leadfoot.

I'm testing again the first week of the new year if you want to bring the piece out and romp around barstow some.

Jon

[fishd00d]

Alright let me know what day in Barstow and i'll be there...I was going to go today but I didn't get back from Ocotillo till 6AM....

Go Big Or Go Home
United Jumping Truck Society

[crashesalot2003]

i had a quick question, what is the difference between a snap-in and bolt-in harness, i had noticed most manufacturers make both, but i was wondering if one is beter than the other or if they both have adv. disadv.

no brain, no pain

[Kritter]

Bolt in...bolt in. Snap in need rings installed to snap into. Snap in are nicer because you just cut the safety wire and pull them out to clean instead of having to unbolt them.

Kris
"Buy American before it's too late"

[DuffcoDan]

this is getting out of control... it sounds like WWF wrestling. The MDR Prerunner Class has been won by as little as 30 seconds and by as much as 1-2hrs. It all comes down to who can actually make it to the finish line. Happy new year race-dezert goers and good luck to all who race in February.

[crashesalot2003]

has anyone looked at the howe steering steup, not the hydralic ram assist setup, but the rack one, i was wondering if it has a direct connection to the steering wheel incase the pump gos or something.

no brain, no pain

[Jerry Zaiden]

Dan, I don't know but Jon's truck goes fast. He let me drive it. That little thing takes the big bumps well. I hope you guys have fun. Dan I hope you are getting ready for this:)

He looks like he want to take you down!

Look at pic.. hehe

[Jerry Zaiden]

Pic # 2 Going big. Just to show he can launch that thing.

[WFODAN]

I hope his truck is at 110 % . With him having no breaks or problems all day Feb. 1st . That way I won't have to listen to an excuse of why he lost . He can just pay me . So are you still planning on joining the party Jerry ?? I would like some real competition for my 11 inch travel machine . I am thinking about stepping up the shocks to bypasses and putting power steering in it before the race , but that might take something away from my victory . As for the fast comment ...... I'll just chalk that up to your lack of seat time lately . Hope to see your truck there .


Dan Vance

[JasonHutter]

Hey Jerry, did it look anything like this when he hit?

http://www.aor4x4.com/fg-jmp1202-4s.jpg

[Jkrell]

sweet lowrider jason....I can't believe how much the tire compressed!!!....my truck looked something like that I'm sure on the landing....some vid of it will probably be up before too long...That jump lands into the front side of another dip and smacks the skid plate hard enough to jar your teeth out of your head...looks cool in the vid though I bet.... with a bunch of dirt flying around.

As for leadfoot...don't worry seniorita my truck will be prepped and ready...I hope yours is the same... but really you might not even need to prep it with your new racing philosophy :)

"Slow and Steady wins the Race" - Dan Vance (new racing philosophy summarized)

Jon

[fathead1]

For us guys who are new to the scene, can you guys let us know the details of the trucks in the side bet for the MDR Barstow race, I'll be out there chasing for # 112 and want to know which trucks to watch for. As far as details, how are they set up suspension wise/ motor etc. I know it is the prerunner class, but how do the trucks compare to each other.
I have a feeling this post is gonna lead to another pissing contest....
Thanks

[BIG_FAT_LOSER]

Even Dan's chase crew can do that. Wonder what the actual race truck is capeable of...lol

Notice the distance marker

http://www.prospectator.com/images/upjch_0085.jpg

If your gunna go.........go Ghetto...

[Jerry Zaiden]

Dan, what I mean by fast is relitive to being a little Toyota. As for seat time I would not need seat time in the last 10 years to keep up with the speed of a 150hp truck :)

[SpareChangeRacng]

Yeah but the fireguys had their fenders on Pat - LOL. I guess being in 7s they are not as wide as the E-Z-go! Steve

[sbro]

Jamie, the trucks involved in this friendly bet are as follows....

WFODAN:
http://www.dezertrangers.com/kartek/kartek22.jpg

JKrell:
http://www.race-dezert.com/wwwthreads/files/6-41291-J_K_DanGoingDownjump.jpg

Redline (unlikely to enter since he doesn't own the truck):
http://www.duffcoenterprises.com/images/v8toyota/v8toy538.jpg

Greg possibly:
http://prerunners.com/photoalbum/dday2002/dday029068.JPG

Anyone else? Maybe someone could fill in the blanks as to what each truck is running....

[fishd00d]

lol thats not Greg's truck....

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[John_Bitting]

Is that the Destroy Motorsports built truck?

"She's a real spark plug, about duece, duece and a quarter"

[sbro]

Fish you're right, I linked the wrong pic...Its been a long day. Try this one:
<A target="_blank" HREF=http://prerunners.com/photoalbum/jumpchamps2002/jumpchamps2002136.JPG>http://prerunners.com/photoalbum/jumpchamps2002/jumpchamps2002136.JPG</A>

[Jkrell]

that last picture of gregs truck scares me...lot o wheel travel.

[DuffcoDan]

sean, the yellow toyota is now white w/ graphics.

[JasonHutter]

Dan, that is a nice looking truck. Does it have your suspension/cage work on it?

http://www.race-dezert.com/wwwthreads/files/6-41460-Y22small.jpg

[DuffcoDan]

yes Jason, we did all the cage work. the truck is based on a 1989 4x4 chassis. on the front we installed the chaos caddy kit, bypass tube shocks, and 300m torsions. if you want to see more pictures of the truck check out http://www.duffcoenterprises.com/v8toyota.htm

[TrucksR4Girls]

Ok one quick questions. No one bite my head off. But is it necessary to keep the body lift? Im sure the glass and the lift the suspension offers gives the tires plenty of clearance???....= /

DESERT SLUT'S....GOTTA LOVE UM!!!

[twillis]

isn't that the '89 Toyota model that came with the optional 350 Chevy?

I live my life one paycheck at a time

[JasonHutter]

Our truck doesn't have a body lift and those are 33X10.50 15's. We have however moved the inner fenders back to make them fit.

Jason

[TrucksR4Girls]

I was talking about the white toyota with the flag graphics on it.

DESERT SLUT'S....GOTTA LOVE UM!!!

[WorkInProgress]

It might not be nescessary but they cant do anything now cuz the cage is there now and it is welded on not bolted and whre the cage goes through the cab to the rear there would be definite problems and in the front, and everywhere.

[TrucksR4Girls]

Yeah I know that, I was just wondering if it served a purpose or why they didnt remove it.

DESERT SLUT'S....GOTTA LOVE UM!!!

[Kritter]

SInce it is a chevy motor..the distributor is in the back so it is probably a clearance issue...shoulda ran a ford engine with the distributor up fornt if that is the case.

Kris
"Buy American before it's too late"

[WFODAN]

Well there are two Toyotas with flag graphics . Mine has the body life because it was on there when the truck was started and it was never going to be a race truck . Once the tubes started flying it was too late to turn back . It only has a two inch body lift , and it would be way too much work to take it off now . It doesn't really affect the truck either way if you ask me , so it's never really been a concern .


As to the no need for seat time for ten years to drive a 150hp truck comment ......

I guess I'll just build a stone stock and never get seat time and go smoke Rob Mac then right ?? NOT !!!!
I think it takes more talent to drive a limited truck then an open one . Sure the speed is greater in the open one but it way more forgiving than the limited trucks . My hat is off to all the guys that race the rough riding classes .


Dan Vance

[fishd00d]

The white Toyota on the trailer there has the body lift to clear the engine...it has header issues against the firewall with the 350 in it if you dont have a body lift....

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[TrucksR4Girls]

Oh Ok, so I guess body lifts do serve a purpose sometimes. Makes sence now.

DESERT SLUT'S....GOTTA LOVE UM!!!

[Jkrell]

are we refering to my truck as having 150 hp....if so...it has far less than that :)

Jon

[WFODAN]

Ya I think from the factory the 22re was rated at like 114 hp at the flywheel .



Dan Vance

[Jkrell]

well my high tech k&N filter and old school downey header should be good for another 10 or 15....I guess that brings my truck up to a mind blowing, whoop stomping 125 hp. wahoo!!

what are the other trucks putting out....Dan, Greg, Tyson, Craig, Eric, Jerry...just curios.

Jon

[Jerry Zaiden]

Our Pre-Runner Ranger has a stock 4.0L with 125,000 mi on it. I think it has around 165 hp? Well who care it will weigh 4000 . The hp to weight sucks!

Dan as for the seat time thing who cares. If the truck stays together like I said you are in third place Me, Jon, then you..:) I have $50 on Jon. and $50 on me. That means if you beat me and jon I give you $100. If you lose you owe me $100 If you get in second we are even. I beat you but you beat Jon = a wash. All the odds are in your favor.

Dan, Jon, and whoever else is racing in the street legal class are you in pro and going the distance or sportsman and quitting early. I want to do the full race., all the laps.

[WFODAN]

Jerry ,

Even the pro class doesn't go the whole distance ( just one more lap then the sportsman ) .

as for the bet ....... Bring it bro . Consider any bet you want to make covered by me . Wait ....... Desert Racing is still a contact sport right ?? LOL !!!! See you in the desert . Or actually since you will be starting infront of me , if you see me it's too late , you're gonna lose .


Dan Vance

[Jkrell]

Id love to do the whole race...its a money issue though for my program....I'm staying in sportsman

[John_Bitting]

This is the greatest thread ever. You guys deserve something just for the entertainment factor. I dont want to miss any footage for our readers. Anybody else want to help out RDC video and take pics that day. We could all meet up and get a game plan to get the best coverage. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;

[fishd00d]

I'll have the nerfing coverage from inside the fast truck!

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[motoxscott]

Austin,

Jerry never said you could ride shotgun in his ranger..............

[fishd00d]

Ya I know thats why I said the fast truck....for all you who are not the brighest light bulb in the box that would be Dan;s truck :)

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[John_Bitting]

Scott, I dont think sucking up will get you any better of a price on a front end. Nice try though. You make a great cheerleader.. RAH RAH RAH

[Jkrell]

we should get a back bumper cam for my underpowered ride...I think I might even break out the angle iron or I fear my ass is going to be sore.

Jon

[motoxscott]

Like I said,

I dont remember Jerry saying you could ride with him. Am I seeing things? I thought you said you were gonna be in the fastest truck.

It's all about FORD TOUGH!

[redline]

on the body lift question it doesnt matter what motor you used because the trans is what needs the cleasrence so whats the point of putting a ford in it if you dont have to?

[fishd00d]

I can tell Ryan to put the beeter cam on your rear bumper....

Scott, ya you need to see a eye doctor and then take a few judgement class's so you can have better perception of fast.....

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[WFODAN]

Jerry ,


I just thought of something . I wouldn't want my new coilover, bypass every corner, triple throw down yada yada yada race truck to get beat by a leaf spring no bypass 11 inch travel truck if I was you . Especially with the highest DNF rated driver behind the wheel . That could look bad . You might want to sit this one out .


Dan Vance

[motoxscott]

Austin: I'm pretty sure I have a good understanding of fast. In all your videos it's those other trucks passing yours right? Thats fast correct? Tell me if I'm wrong :)

[fishd00d]

Ya thats right Jason passed me in that one...but like I said goto a eye doctor because if you look close Jason is on the SMOOTH side with 0 whoops and The Piece is actually down in the big whoops.

Eye Doctors can perform some big miracles.

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[havahockey]

Zero whoops my ass! That whole section had big whoops in it, don't be made because I passed you AND you got a bigger dent in your cage then me!

And just wait for September when I'm passing you in Lucerne at the MDR race!

Race-Dezert Anonymous - Step #1:
"Hello, my name is Jason. And I'm a Race-Dezertaholic."

[fishd00d]

Ummmm yaa ok...just watch the video it dosent lie :)

Also I seem to remember that when we first got there we all headed from S/F to the power lines...well me and Jon took off and we were racing all the way there and we got there and had to wait for about 10min for you guys to catch up! What happened there?

Bring it at the MDR!

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[fishd00d]

Here is the whoop clip:

<A target="_blank" HREF=http://www.pencilart.com/whoopclip.wmv>http://www.pencilart.com/whoopclip.wmv</A>

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[havahockey]

Its called we were all behind the double cab. Have you ever heard of sticking with the pack?? :)

You also left first on the way back and guess who caught up to you.... (beat the [censored] out of my skidplate, but caught you nontheless)

Race-Dezert Anonymous - Step #1:
"Hello, my name is Jason. And I'm a Race-Dezertaholic."

[fishd00d]

Have you ever heard of passing? Or Nerfing them the hell outta the way!

Oh and for the Record on the way back I was just crusing waiting up for all you guys so you wouldnt get lost....I actually filmed on the way back with me talking about waiting up for you guys and I would be happy to post that if you want also :)

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[havahockey]

I don't want to put too many big dents in your cage :)

You still bitter because The Piece got out jumped? Thats it...MDR race in September..you're getting nerfed....hard....

Race-Dezert Anonymous - Step #1:
"Hello, my name is Jason. And I'm a Race-Dezertaholic."

[fishd00d]

The Piece got outjumped??? By who? I am looking at the pics and about the only person I see thats the same or even close for that matter is Jon....I see some guy with his Tacoma thats barely off the ground....wonder what thats about...

Bring on the nerfing!!!!

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[havahockey]

I think I also have some pictures of some guy welding up his motormounts after a few jumps.

Oh wait he was tightening the tie down around is motor :)

Race-Dezert Anonymous - Step #1:
"Hello, my name is Jason. And I'm a Race-Dezertaholic."

[fishd00d]

Thats right! Go Big Or Go Home....at least I dont have any excuses not to go big...how many other people out there were jumping with no motor mounts and tie downs holding it down all day??? And it still drove home as good as new!!!

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[mattrick88]

John, i will be filming with Austin's camera(my camera battery dies to fast and i lost my extra one) and want to get ALOT of footage. You are welcome to use the footage, as long as you dont care that I want to use it for my site as well.

[havahockey]

Funniest part of the day - Jerry picking up part of the red tie down and saying, "Hey Austin you busted a motor mount".

I'll give props to the Piece, the thing doesn't like to die.

Too bad it will be in my dust.....







Race-Dezert Anonymous - Step #1:
"Hello, my name is Jason. And I'm a Race-Dezertaholic."

[fishd00d]

Good Times! Bring it!

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[mattrick88]

When i get my bumper built everyone is getting nerfed!

[havahockey]

You just gave the go ahead for people to nerf you at any time....

Race-Dezert Anonymous - Step #1:
"Hello, my name is Jason. And I'm a Race-Dezertaholic."

[mattrick88]

yes, but only when i have a bumper. right now im defenseless, lol.

[sirhk100]

Man, I thought about doing a rear bar on the Exploder but I think if that means it's open game I'm not doing it. I'd be pissed if my hatch didn't open after a nerf... If on the other hand I had a truck with no tail gate and a cage/bumper it would be GAME ON!!!!!

Khris

'92 Ford Exploder (AKA Dezert Limo cause it's loaded)

[WorkInProgress]

Man I can't wait, this race is going to be awesome! I will be sure to bring my camera.

[drtdevil93]

you guys are all nuts!!! im gonna go work on my truck now.

someone asked about how much power? ballpark 210 hp, 230 ft-lbs.

and a picture from the wall...


erik

[evan_clanin]

race, haha, the way every one is talkin, i dont think they will make it to the line, it will be like a demo derby in the pits

Can blind people be dyslexic when they read Braille?

[Tyson]

Well my truck has a cam, header, intake, custom (by me) air flow - all of which should be 140-150hp??, Pretty straight through exhaust but no gears ;-\.

On a very very sad note I will not be able to race this first race - due to front end taking too long to be completed and not having front glass, bumpers, suit, nets, entry fee I am just going to sit back and chase I guess for whoever needs it. I will definately race the rest of the season and Jerry if you are wanting competition in 1400 that is where i am going to race.

But game on to the rest of you, I am still undecided on who my money is on (since I'm not in it)

here is one of the first shots of the "no where near completed" front of my truck check out my web

Good luck, been having problems with the data xfer.


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[Jerry Zaiden]

Funniest part of the day - Jerry picking up part of the red tie down and saying, "Hey Austin you busted a motor mount".

That was really funny.I am still sore from a good laugh.
I also like the burn out video with only the right tire spinning.
LIVE ON THE PEICE!

Jason he out jumped you by a few feet, but he also has Pepboys rachet straps for motor mounts.hehe.

Dan, If we get the truck done for this race now a 85% chance. When I lap you by the second lap after you fix your broken whatever; I hope you have a mouth peice, some advill, and a really strong rear bumper. :)

Bumpers are good to hit but not sheet metal.

[DesertCreations]

we are starting to prep the orange yota this weekend. So you can count us in on the fun. Oh and John the angle might be a good idea for ya.

[ACID_RAIN28]

THIS IS F'N GREAT, no one is going to give a damn about the other classes, Rivi- who, It will all be about the little guys smashing their way to the line the start and finish the race!

"There are a lot of people hoping I fail. But I like that. I need to be hated."

[Kritter]

SHoot...it's MDR all the spectators care about is carnage and drinking beer.

Kris
"Buy American before it's too late"

[WFODAN]

Jerry ,


The only thing you'll be lapping is hot lapping the pits cause you won't make a lap . When you see that white toyota coming up in your mirror , just move over . I won't hit your pretty truck if you move over . But you can bet your last dollar that I will be on your bumper until you move . As for your truck lapping me ????? If I was driving your truck I'd say it would lap mine at least once , but that's not the case , so just move over and let me pass . LOL!!


Good Times ahead

Dan Vance

[fishd00d]

Just for the record that was one of those new state of the art wal-mart special rachet motor mounts...they are adjustable so when they wear out you can just tighten it another notch and your good to go...

Only problem was I was hitting it so hard it was plowing into the face of the lip and that was wearing through the strap.....time for a little duct tape on it and it'll be good to go!

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[ACID_RAIN28]

Correction, duct tape is pronounced
"300 mile an hour tape"

"There are a lot of people hoping I fail. But I like that. I need to be hated."

[fishd00d]

Well thats the expensive kind of it....I can't afford that stuff.

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[hbprnstr]

Hey Austin in Jason's deffence when we were going to the power lines in the sand wash they were all following me who was going slower. Im not balls out like you man, plus klaus and all his gear in the back seat would not have been liking the whoops with no rear suspension. next time it will be better though since i orderd my 62's today :) As far as the race goes my moneys on jerry and jason considering they are racing the most built truck next to greg if he races.

[fishd00d]

Ya its ok Jason will just have no excuses next time....or when he races it.

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[Littlenutts]

My money is on the Desert Creations truck, And I will be there ready for the keg!!!

They are REAL!

[Kritter]

I wanna see desert creations keep the glass on that thing the whole race!!!

Kris
"Buy American before it's too late"