Rice Rockets doomed!

[Dave_G]

Well, as some of you may know I have been a reserve deputy sheriff with San Bernardino County for almost 20 years now. I'm currenty assigned as a pilot with the Aviation division. Every 3 months I have to attend a mandatory 8 hour use of force qualification course and legislative update seminar. At the last one I attended on saturday I was almost a sleep when something caught my eye..... A new state law has been amended to stop people from modifying their exhaust system to make more noise. I believe it was intended to target the lowered rice rocket Honda's and Toyota's and their modified loud exhaust systems. ( off roaders might not be immune to this also......)

It is as follows:

27151. (a) No person shall modify the exhaust system of a motor
vehicle in a manner which will amplify or increase the noise emitted
by the motor of the vehicle so that the vehicle is not in compliance
with the provisions of Section 27150 or exceeds the noise limits
established for the type of vehicle in Article 2.5 (commencing with
Section 27200). No person shall operate a motor vehicle with an
exhaust system so modified.

In a nut shell, you can't modify the stock exhaust system where it emits a noise level higher than what comes with the stock make and model vehicle.


Dave


"I know it all, but I can't remember most of it..."

[rdc]

Dave,

Could you please post: Section 27150, Article 2.5 and Section 27200. I would like to know the exacts as my truck emits just a tad bit more noise then stock. I guess it is time to get a horn since I won't be able to get peoples attention by revin' the motor..


Thanks,

Tony
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[CoiloverKid]

i think there's a certain decibel level that's standard limit...i know those huge 6 inch ashcan exhausts are really loud...ugh, i cringe just thinking of the sound.

http://www.subaru-sti.co.jp/event/snowdrive01/image/10.jpg the BEST winter sport..

[Dave_G]

RE: i think there's a certain decibel level that's standard limit...

As we were told the simple modification of the system to generate more noise was a violation. There is no mention of decibel levels.

Dave

"I know it all, but I can't remember most of it..."

[rdc]

Dave,

Will I find the info in the vehical code book? I am not arguing with you but what you have posted does not say what level of sound is not acceptable. Where can I find the article and other sections that were refrenced, that is where the details are.

Tony
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[BIG_FAT_LOSER]

The A.M.A magizine has had articles about noice recently. Certain countys/states are planing on banning any aftermarket motorcycle exhaust regardless of noise loud or quiet. A quiet Harley?

<font color=red>PAT KAPKO</font color=red>
<font color=yellow>Self appointed King of ghetto fab</font color=yellow>

[Kritter]

Good. We need to start impunding those obnoxious imports. I cant stand those things. Every time I see one I try to get in front and give em a brake check so they go under my bumper. I dont understand the point of modyfying a low budget grocery getter to be so loud. I think the full race 600 Hp ones are cool, but the stock imports with a nasty ass exhaust and some stickers is repulsive and even worse is the kids driving think they are badasses.

Kris

"A signature always reveals a man's character -- and sometimes even his name. "

[pjc]

Unfortunately, this law/ordinace is not singular in action.

Forget about such nice upgrades as:

4" Diesel Exhaust Systems.
Any Cat-Back system for gas.

PJCinLV

[Kritter]

That is true Pat, but who is really gonna get pulled over for exhaust:
A guy with a nice truck and a clean exhaust or a kid with nasty ass exhaust?

Although they would both be violating the ordinance, cops seem to have some leniancy towards the nicer things.

Kris

"A signature always reveals a man's character -- and sometimes even his name. "

[fishd00d]

I dont see how they could make it illegal when say a Flowmaster is legal already so it kinda contridicts itself. Last I knew there was a certain level that it had to be below.

Go Big Or Go Home

[Mike_McCluskey]

How will this affect guys with hot rods? Are they going to get tickets just going to car shows? This is another of those idiot laws we could do without! I can't stand the ricers either but this law will affect all the aftermarket exhaust companies import or domestic. It will be interesting to see how strict they enforce this law on the various cars.

[Kritter]

This law is going to be used on obnoxious cars (rice rockets). It gives cops the power to pull these guys over and write numerous other vehicel code violations. Hot rods should not be worried and neither should good exhaust manufacturers. Only people who should be worried are the import exhaust manufacturers. A similar law was put into action about 5 years ago and the only people I knew who ever got a ticket were the zipper cars. I had no problems with a monster rat 67 chevelle or el camino in a cop hungry town, they just looked and nodded. Once a cop even said " let me hear it" so I had to jump on it for him and he was impressed. "To Protect and to Serve" and as long as I am protected from high pitched exhaust I am happy.

Kris

"A signature always reveals a man's character -- and sometimes even his name. "

[WRC]

Kritter, you are joking right? Your neck can not be that red! LOL http://www.race-dezert.com/wwwthreads/images/icons/tongue.gif
These laws have been on the books for years. And anytime they try to implement some type of “catch all” exhaust law it fails in the courts. Ass long as the folks who like to customize their vehicles and bikes want to change their exhaust and are willing to fight the tickets in court, there will always be ways around these ridiculous laws here in California.
My opinion…… if it burns clean it should be legal. If it’s to loud, YOUR TO OLD! Harley, muscle car, rice rocket, pre-runner, even diesels …… its all good when its loud! http://www.race-dezert.com/wwwthreads/images/icons/laugh.gif


Sean</font color=red> (http://wrcss@hotmail.com><font)

[Kritter]

There was sarcasm in it. I Like the WRX by the way, just not hondas.

Kris

"A signature always reveals a man's character -- and sometimes even his name. "

[WRC]

I'm with ya brotha.
WRX likes to eat Honda's. http://www.race-dezert.com/wwwthreads/images/icons/wink.gif
My WRX sounds like a Porsche with a whislte and a shop-vac hooked up under the hood. This thing makes so many different sounds under the hood that you forget about the open exhaust! http://www.race-dezert.com/wwwthreads/images/icons/shocked.gif

Sean</font color=red> (http://wrcss@hotmail.com><font)

[Dave_G]

RE: Will I find the info in the vehical code book?

Tony,
I'm not sure if it is published in the vehicle code book yet or not. You have to remember that this is a new amendment to the CVC and it may not show up yet. The legislative updates we get are brand new laws and court decisions that affect law enforcement. If I have time today I'll call the training division and get the exact code number for you. I wish I had written it down at the time but you know how it goes when your trying to sleep during class. ;-)

Dave

"I know it all, but I can't remember most of it..."

[Waldo]

The American Motorcyclist Association has a decibel requirement in all their national off-road competitions. This is a fairly new regulation. If I am not mistaken, there is also a ohv requirement for exhaust decibel level.

I think Kritter is right in saying that cops might target the "rice rockets" more than they would big trucks with 4" exhausts. Cops modify their rides just like you and me! You just don't see them driving a lowered civic with a coffee can exhaust!

BRAAAAAAAAP!

[Gabe_Lara]

I think the point is here, and correct me if I'm wrong Dave, but it will be the interpretation of the law if / when you are pulled over. More that likely, a judgement call on the officer's behalf, just as the case of many of us not running front license plates, or covers on your off-road lights on your front bumper.....

Think about it.....How many times have you been pulled in your truck for a modification? Ok, now how many rice rocketeers have you seen pulled over?

Worse case scenario, you can try to fight it with technicalities, and interpretation of the law. (I know alot of Lawyers, so thats rubbed off on me a bit...)

Regardless, thanks for the info!!

-Gabe

[CoiloverKid]

speaking of rice rockets [not SUBES, mind you] i really HATE clear corners. i HATE them THIS much. my freind wasnt happy.

http://www.jaron95.com/ot/burningtails.jpg

oh yeah, you need to get the headlight conversion for the WRX, the carbon fiber ones, like on the wrc. it's a projection conversion isnt it? i heard its like, 600 bucks too.

http://www.subaru-sti.co.jp/event/snowdrive01/image/10.jpg the BEST winter sport..

[Dave_G]

Here's the scoop for you lawyer types. I think this is what were talking about here.......

BILL NUMBER: SB 1081 CHAPTERED
BILL TEXT

CHAPTER 92
FILED WITH SECRETARY OF STATE JULY 23, 2001
APPROVED BY GOVERNOR JULY 20, 2001
PASSED THE ASSEMBLY JULY 2, 2001
PASSED THE SENATE MAY 31, 2001
AMENDED IN SENATE MAY 22, 2001
AMENDED IN SENATE APRIL 16, 2001

INTRODUCED BY Senator Johannessen

FEBRUARY 23, 2001

An act to amend Sections 27150.1, 27150.2, 27150.7, and 27151 of,
and to repeal Sections 23130, 23130.5, 27150.3, 27150.4, 27150.6 and
27150.8 of, the Vehicle Code, relating to vehicles.


LEGISLATIVE COUNSEL'S DIGEST


SB 1081, Johannessen. Exhaust and muffler systems.
(1) Existing law establishes noise limits for various types of
motor vehicles based on factors, including, but not limited to, speed
limit. Existing law establishes different noise limits for speed
zones of 35 miles per hour or less on level streets.
This bill would delete these provisions.
(2) Existing law prohibits any person engaged in a business that
involves the selling of motor vehicle exhaust systems from selling or
installing a motor vehicle exhaust system that does not meet
regulations and standards. Existing law provides that a violation of
this provision is a misdemeanor.
This bill would provide that motor vehicle exhaust systems include
nonoriginal exhaust equipment.
(3) Existing law requires the Commissioner of the California
Highway Patrol to conduct a study and to adopt regulations setting
standards for the certification of exhaust systems, which regulations
would become effective one year after they are filed with the
Legislature. Existing law authorizes the commissioner to provide for
the exemption of vehicular exhaust systems where compliance with the
regulations would cause an unreasonable hardship without resulting
in a sufficient corresponding benefit with respect to noise level
control. Existing law requires the regulations to include provisions
for the licensing of stations to implement these provisions.
This bill would require these regulations to provide that exhaust
systems installed on motor vehicles weighing less than 6,000 pounds
that emit no more than 95 dbA comply with specified requirements.
This bill would delete the provisions relating to the study and the
filing of regulations with the Legislature.
(4) Existing law authorizes a court to dismiss any action in which
a person is prosecuted for operating a vehicle in violation of
specified provisions relating to noise limits, if certain conditions
are met.
This bill would instead authorize a court to dismiss an action in
which a person is prosecuted for a violation of specified provisions
concerning the use of mufflers and exhaust systems, if the vehicle is
equipped with an exhaust system that complies with the regulations
described in (3).
(5) Existing law requires manufacturers of motorcycles and
motorcycle accessories to certify to the Department of the California
Highway Patrol, prior to the sale of a motorcycle exhaust system,
that the system is in compliance with the standards and regulations
adopted by the commissioner.
This bill would delete this provision.
(6) Existing law prohibits the modification of exhaust systems to
amplify or increase the noise emitted such that the system violates
existing noise limits.
This bill would provide that for vehicles of less than 6,000
pounds, other than motorcycles, a sound level of 95 dbA or less
complies with noise limits.


THE PEOPLE OF THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA DO ENACT AS FOLLOWS:


SECTION 1. Section 23130 of the Vehicle Code is repealed.
SEC. 2. Section 23130.5 of the Vehicle Code is repealed.
SEC. 3. Section 27150.1 of the Vehicle Code is amended to read:
27150.1. On and after the effective date of regulations and
standards adopted by the commissioner pursuant to Section 27150.2, no
person engaged in a business which involves the selling of motor
vehicle exhaust systems, or parts thereof, including, but not limited
to, mufflers, shall offer for sale, sell, or install, a motor
vehicle exhaust system, or part thereof, including, but not limited
to, a muffler, unless it meets those regulations and standards. Motor
vehicle exhaust systems or parts thereof include, but are not
limited to, nonoriginal exhaust equipment.
A violation of this section is a misdemeanor.
SEC. 4. Section 27150.2 of the Vehicle Code is amended to read:
27150.2. The commissioner shall adopt regulations setting
standards for vehicular exhaust systems consistent with Article 2.5
(commencing with Section 27200). The regulations shall include, but
need not be limited to, the following:
(a) Provisions for standards for vehicular exhaust systems, based
on manufacturers' data and subject to any inspections and other
verification the commissioner may prescribe. The regulations shall
include provisions specifying that exhaust systems installed on motor
vehicles, other than motorcycles, with a manufacturer's gross
vehicle weight rating of less than 6,000 pounds, that emit no more
than 95 dbA when tested in accordance with Society of Automotive
Engineers Standard J1169 May 1998, comply with Sections 27150 and
27151.
(b) Provisions for the licensing of stations to implement this
section and Section 27150.1, and for the denial, revocation, or
suspension of any license for failure to comply with this section or
any regulation adopted thereunder.
The regulations may provide for the exemption of vehicular exhaust
systems where compliance with the regulations would cause an
unreasonable hardship without resulting in a sufficient corresponding
benefit with respect to noise level control.
SEC. 5. Section 27150.3 of the Vehicle Code is repealed.
SEC. 6. Section 27150.4 of the Vehicle Code is repealed.
SEC. 7. Section 27150.6 of the Vehicle Code is repealed.
SEC. 8. Section 27150.7 of the Vehicle Code is amended to read:
27150.7. A court may dismiss any action in which a person is
prosecuted for operating a vehicle in violation of Section 27150 or
27151 if it is found that the vehicle was equipped with an exhaust
system in compliance with regulations adopted by the commissioner
pursuant to Section 27150.2, and that the defendant had reasonable
grounds to believe that the exhaust system was in good working order
and had reasonable grounds to believe that the vehicle was not
operated in violation of Section 27150 or 27151.
SEC. 9. Section 27150.8 of the Vehicle Code is repealed.
SEC. 10. Section 27151 of the Vehicle Code is amended to read:
27151. (a) No person shall modify the exhaust system of a motor
vehicle in a manner which will amplify or increase the noise emitted
by the motor of the vehicle so that the vehicle is not in compliance
with the provisions of Section 27150 or exceeds the noise limits
established for the type of vehicle in Article 2.5 (commencing with
Section 27200). No person shall operate a motor vehicle with an
exhaust system so modified.
(b) For the purposes of exhaust systems installed on motor
vehicles with a manufacturer's gross vehicle weight rating of less
than 6,000 pounds, other than motorcycles, a sound level of 95 dbA or
less, when tested in accordance with Society of Automotive Engineers
Standard J1169 May 1998, complies with this section. Motor vehicle
exhaust systems or parts thereof include, but are not limited to,
nonoriginal exhaust equipment.


Dave


"I know it all, but I can't remember most of it..."

[fishd00d]

So if anyone gets pulled over just ask to them to bring out their meter and measure your exaust and if its lower then 95 dbA you are ok.

How many people are going to have something to measure it with them though :)

Go Big Or Go Home

[vwguy]

i think its a cops decretion most of the time if he wants to pull you over or not.
i think they dont like the honda rice rockets because of the street racing they do.
cops can be cool like the one who didnt care that i ran a red and he had to of known it to because it was green for him to turn left in the direction i was going, and i just kept going (you know at 12:20 in the morning).
on the modifying issue i know tons of cops and firefighters especially who lift their trucks and i see them all the time.
oh yeah if you guys can get a hold one of those fire hat stickers that say "C.S.F.A." run it because it will save you butt when they pass you and turn around and see it they stop right there we have done it tons of times and i would say it works 80 percent of the time.


how ironic is it that most people slow down for speed bumps yet almost all of us here im sure pin it

[Stan]

A little off topic, but a quick question. Does S.B.S.O. start new deputies in the jail?

"Rehabilitation begins at autopsy."

[BradM]

95dB is pretty damn loud. I don't think it will be a big deal but it will give cops another reason to talk with someone or have a closer look.

[Dave_G]

RE: So if anyone gets pulled over just ask to them to bring out their meter and measure your exaust and if its lower then 95 dbA you are ok.

Not necessarly. Read the last part of the following paragraph with the ******.

27151. (a) No person shall modify the exhaust system of a motor
vehicle in a manner which will amplify or increase the noise emitted
by the motor of the vehicle so that the vehicle is not in compliance
with the provisions of Section 27150 ****or exceeds the noise limits
established for the type of vehicle in Article 2.5*****........ The key word here is "OR"

If the vehicle emits a noise level higher than what was established by say Toyota and certified by the state it's not legal. So, lets say you buy a Celica that Toyota sets a factory noise limit of 85db and you modify the exhaust system and the limit exceeds 85db your in violation of 27151 (a)

"I know it all, but I can't remember most of it..."

[Dave_G]

Re: Does S.B.S.O. start new deputies in the jail?

Yep. You should expect to spend up to as long as 4 years in the "back door hotel" after you graduate out of the academy. ;-) Unless you apply for resident deputy at one of the more popular resort towns like TRONA!

Dave

"I know it all, but I can't remember most of it..."

[martininsocal]

"get a C.S.F.A. sticker.." What is up with that?! As a professional Firefighter and member of local 2881, I have to say STOP IMPERSONATING FIREFIGHTERS!. If you want to impersonate someone, impersonate COPS! Just ask Dave G. , he'll tell you! By the way Dave, what is the minimum pumishment for impersonating a Peace Officer? As to your CSFA stickers, most cops are wise to look for the local sticker since any john q public can become a member of CSFA now as and interested party. We don't use the yellow and red, our stickers are much nicer, name department and local number on them. And just so you know, no, they do not always work either! Hey Dave, what about the residence up in angeles oaks? thats gotta be a retirement home...would be a nice boot assignment.

Martin

If your gonna go, go BIG

[dezertchick]

Sounds like this law will not only effect rice burners, but my truck along with quite a few others out there. Another way to keep people from modifying their vehicles is the way I see it...Dont get me wrong, I'm not a big fan of the wanna be rally cars, but laws like this will effect anyone who modifies their vehicle.
I used to carry a copy of the Ca motor vehicle law book in a modified car . I had highlighted "grey" areas that seem to be in question regarding the car. Never lost a case on the car, spent time in courts arguing and won.
So maybe instead of looking at this law directed towards rice rockets, maybe think of it towards anyone who wants to modify their exhust. Regardless of each police officer and the way they will or will not ticket you because of the truck you drive, so what? How do you know they will or wont? Now add this to the list of mods the state does'nt want us to do to our personal vehicles.

[mxjeremy]

DUDE, Harleys are doomed too.
I love motorcycles (obviously), although I'm not a Harley person myself, I can dig their whole scene. You know, you're a badass, you like the feel of leather on your bare skin, you have a beard that can hold a weeks worth supply of food, you wear the same sunglasses from the 70's you got for $10 bucks at a liquor store. Your helmet covers only the top of your head (who needs a brain stem anyways?) But why do you have to put straight pipes on your bike, angle them up in the back, and rev the [censored] out of your big[censored] V-twin when your trying to manuver it with those huge ape-hangers thru traffic to the front of the line? Then, when your bike idles down, it sounds like it's going to stall because of your huge cams and low idle, so I'm sure that's why you have to rev it up again at the light, right?

Dude, If I get pulled over for my exhaust being too loud, I'm gonna rage. It's gonna be just like GTA3. I can't believe how loud some Harleys are, and I've never seen one busted for that shiz. late.

[Dave_G]

Re: "get a C.S.F.A. sticker.." What is up with that?! As a professional Firefighter and member of local 2881, I have to say STOP IMPERSONATING FIREFIGHTERS!.

Martin,
I assume your directing your message to vwguy and not me?? I have never advocated anyone impersonate a fire fighter or peace officer. Big jail time involved in that kind of thing.


Re: Hey Dave, what about the residence up in angeles oaks? thats gotta be a retirement home...would be a nice boot assignment.

Suprisingly I have known all the past an present resident deputies up there in Angelus Oaks.... B.J. , Shannon, and now Stan. It's a nice gig but you got to stand in line to get it. As for Trona, everybody wants to leave and nobody wants to go.

Dave

"I know it all, but I can't remember most of it..."

[Kritter]

Kinda like this

http://www.lichterphoto.com/mimages/lifestyle/sturg/l0117400.jpg

Kris

"A signature always reveals a man's character -- and sometimes even his name. "

[mxjeremy]

yeah kritter, kinda like that.
dig that horn 1/2 way up the handlebars. like you'd have any chance hearing a bmx squeeze horn over the sound of those 3" straight pipes. lol.
late.

[WRC]

Dezertchick quote
“Dont get me wrong, I'm not a big fan of the wanna be rally cars”

LOL, There is no such thing considering that unlike in off road racing there is a class for every car you can imagine thus technically there is no such thing as a “wanna be” rally car. http://www.race-dezert.com/wwwthreads/images/icons/wink.gif


Sean</font color=red> (http://wrcss@hotmail.com><font)

[JCA]

After you posted that first Ralley video a long time ago every car I got into was a wanta be ralley car!!! hahahaha

J.C. Andrews
Andrews Racing
www.andrewsracing.com (http://)

[WRC]

My mom's mini van in a rally car... err VAN. http://www.race-dezert.com/wwwthreads/images/icons/laugh.gif
Hey Bajamic, Remeber the rally Mustang! http://www.race-dezert.com/wwwthreads/images/icons/wink.gif
Avis and Enterprise rent some cool rally cars too!

Ok, now we have gotten way off topic, sorry. Perhaps a new thread in the rally forum. http://www.race-dezert.com/wwwthreads/images/icons/smile.gif

Sean</font color=red> (http://wrcss@hotmail.com><font)

[Dave_G]

Hmmmm......looks like a sure ticket to me. The Grip height on the handle bars cannot exceed the top of the riders shoulders. Double ticket for that foooool

hehe...

Dave

"I know it all, but I can't remember most of it..."

[TRDshaunTRD]

I was pulled over for my exhaust a couple of years back when all I had done was a flowmaster(not dumped) and no other engine mod to my 98 tacoma V6 (or any mod for that matter). The cop did a desible reading and said that it was above 95 db. I could not belive it. He let me go though and told me to get it fixed. So what did I do? Dumped the pipe after the muffler, got an open air intake, and put a high performance cat in. He thought that just a flowmaster was obnoxiously loud, now its the loudest thing around (I don't even like the noise that comes out)! But guess what, I have never been pulled over for it. Weird.


"Those who risk nothing are nothing."

[Tyson]

Huntington Beach police will pull you over for just about anything. But, when I had my 73 Dart I had just rebuilt the top end and I had cut off the exhaust from the collectors - I had to drive it to auto shop where I was gonna install my headers and flowmasters. I passed 3 cops on the way to school and didn't get a ticket. When they pulled up next to me I just put it in neutral and coasted as far as I could. Damn thing sounded like a boat, but I think as long as you're cool when you get pulled over they'll also be cool (usually).

Tyson
YOTAPUNK</font color=red> (http://www.geocities.com/yotapunk>)

[vwguy]

i didnt say one word about impersonating a fire fighter or peace officer.
i happen to have one because we have many fire fighters in the family and my dad is a fire marshall,
and if anyone can be a member then they wouldnt be impersonating a fire fighter would they.
i didnt say they always work, i said 80% of the time



how ironic is it that most people slow down for speed bumps yet almost all of us here im sure pin it

[martininsocal]

vwguy- you know how many people ask me for "helmets stickers"? it is worse than the federales in mex! they all think it is a get out of traffic school free deal. I have been pulled over by an SBCSO deputy once for a non-operational tail light in the prerun baja(yeah, those things always work), turned out to be a loose ground wire. he started writing the fix-it ticket, then asked if i was a firefighter. When I said "yes, he got pissed because he had already started the ticket. He said "why didn't you say something.." why? it is on my liscense, I had the sticker in the window...he said so many people have those stickers now that he doesn't even look at them anymore. Just curious, how much are your dues to CSFA for the sticker?

martin

If your gonna go, go BIG

[Ryno]

Martin-

I can't agree with you more. I was a seasonal with CDF for five years, was a FF1 with Orange Co for a year before I went out on disability. I often see a sticker, and ask where he/she works, and more often than not...it was a sticker given to them by a friend. Guys, Firefighters take more pride than just about anyone in their work. I'm not trying to one-up anyone else, but don't cheese out for a sticker. Just watch the rearview mirror a little closer.

Ryno



Build it like a Rhino, and Leave it be.

[vwguy]

im not sure what the dues are for the sticker, i dont pay it, my father does.

how ironic is it that most people slow down for speed bumps yet almost all of us here im sure pin it

[martininsocal]

ryno- where did you work for CDF? just curious, maybe we know each other out of here?

martin

If your gonna go, go BIG

[Ryno]

Martin-

I worked for Riverside Co. Stations 11 and 84. My last year I was a floater for the county, and worked a ton of O/T. Where are you out of?

Ryno

Build it like a Rhino, and Leave it be.

[Catman]

I just want to know when we as off roaders feel as though just becuse we are not into somthing we need to control or elimiate it guns dogs modified cars/trucks what color I paint my damm house GET A LIFE! if youre not hurting anyone I thought that was apart of being a god fearin AMERICAN LOL

[Kritter]

It's not becaue I am not "into it", it's because they are annoying as all hell.I am sure everyone on here likes "guns dogs modified cars/trucks" but when something is annoying it is annoying. I noticed you have 2 kids. So how would you feel when some kid is out street racing his mom's civic and accidentally hits one of your kids? You see it all the time on the news and I know its a problem because 4 people were killed by these lame ass cars street racing by my school. You never hear "prerunners drag racing in streets slays 5 kids due to big tube bumper". I am not saying eliminate the cars, I am saying eliminate the horrid sounding exhaust emitted from these cars. The exhaust on these cars is like suspension travel to us on this board and just like the guys with big travel and no brains think they can jump over the moon these guys with there exhaust think they can drag race on the street.

I give props to the legitimate non street legal 685 HP drag imports, but the street cars I ahve no respect for.

This site is a place to express opinions and get the 411 on the dez and if I think that zipper cars are annoying, it's my right. If I think the milk veche plant does not need to be saved its my right, if I like big guns and mean dogs...its my right....as for your house, paint it any color you wish as long as I am not your neighbor and it doesnt bring down the resale value of the other houses in the neighborhood.



Kris

"A signature always reveals a man's character -- and sometimes even his name. "

[martininsocal]

ryno- i am currently one of the "sched b" captains up at the new sage station. before that i was at station 7 in beautiful sun city(start your day with a doa), and before that at 3's in nuevo. been working in rru since 1989, before that san diego, and before that CZU. been all over doing the LT Captain thing, finally get to stay close to home at sage. i can't wait till i get my 5-1600 car done...gonna get a picture with the 2 brush engines in the background for del fuego racing. and yes, one is 4x4.

If your gonna go, go BIG

[Catman]

What my point was, is, I get tired of hearing and seeing are the law makers and politicians coming up with "Blanket, Feel Good" laws to "Protect" us. How many people enjoyed riding 3-wheelers and had no porblem. Yet they get banned because of the few who didn't no how to ride and got careless and injured and felt compelled to sue. I'm sure there are plenty of kids with the 5lb coffee can tip who don't race past the school zones.

As for the pre-runners running people over: Where I happen to ride my Yamaha with my 11 year old daughter, it's seems like the people who are un-willing to give any space on a trail are the buggy and truck crowd. So I have had to modify my riding to protect my daughter from being injured by people who seem to have little or no control, yet won't give up any space or speed around younger people riding. You can all thank me for doing this, as it keeps you alive and keeps me out of prison.

And that's just MY opinion.

smart people learn from OTHER peoples mistakes

[J_Dog]

Don't forget that most cops use their discretion. I believe the law states the decibel level is 95. I've been a Deputy in Napa County (Northern Cal.) for six years now. I don't know one cop, and I know a lot, who carries a decibel meter. Just be aware though, if you're driving or acting like an idiot cops will find something to pull you over for. The Vehicle Code consists of some 40,000 codes, not hard to find a violation. That's just the Vehicle Code. Then there's the Penal Code, some 15,000 codes. Again, most cops are pretty reasonable people and use good judgment / discretion. Remember even some of us cops enjoy modifying our daily drivers and have race trucks.

Jeff Matlock

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[mgobaja]

The Police tend to leave the non-obnoxious people alone as long as they dont draw unneeded attetion to them selves. This is a tool to allow them to bring down other violations on the street racer crowd. If they can pull you over for excessive noise , that just opens the door for more potential violations, either mechanical or safety . I used to drive a Baja Bug as a daily driver and got away with a Supertrap exhaust with no problems for almost 6 years. I was pulled over for speeding a few times and it was never mentioned, nor were the fenders or headlights. Just by showing some respect to the officer and not being a pain in the ass goes a long way from what I have seen. Those cars with butchered exhaust sound like a fricking LAWN MOWER anyways.

[PLS]

I ran a super-trap on my jeep for quite awhile, and even gapped the plates. It was a little loud, and got me pulled over driving through downtown San Diego, The City cop was cool, but still wrote the fix-it ticket. My complaint was with the highway patrol where they have the decibel meters set up to check these things. I un-gapped the plates so it sounded a lot quieter. When I took it to be checked, the highway patrolman wouldn't listen or even look at it. He said that the exhaust couldn't be modified in any way. I tried to explain that the basic system was the same, but the stock muffler wore out and I put a new one on. The Super-trap is marketed as a "Tunable, smog legal muffler". He didn't want to hear it. Luckily, I finally found another City policeman downtown that thought it was fine and signed off on it.
Pete

[mustafa]

I can tolerate the annoying exhausts of those cars, but I absolutely hate those damn stereos. I like my music and I like it loud, but I don't roll down all my windows and I
don't intend to share it everyone within a 2 block radius. I wish the police would focus on those idiots.

He who lives by the sword, gets shot by those who don't.

[BIG_FAT_LOSER]

I really enjoy the guys who leave their raidos on while they pump gas. It impresess me.

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<font color=yellow>Self appointed King of ghetto fab</font color=yellow>

[Kritter]

Hey Pat I do that. Gives me something to do for the 10 minutes it takes the shiatty pumps to pump all my gas.

Kris

"A signature always reveals a man's character -- and sometimes even his name. "

[Tyson]

Is punk ok at the pumps? Cause it takes quite a while filling up 32 gallons of gas into my truck, so I usually leave the cd playing.

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[BIG_FAT_LOSER]

I am sure you be knowing da ones i wuz tawkin bout?

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<font color=yellow>Self appointed King of ghetto fab</font color=yellow>

[Ryno]

Martin-

I'm sure I worked under you at some time. I always heard stories about Sun City. 84's was nice.....I'm working with King's daughter @ Home Depot now, small world. How many years do you have in?

Ryno

Build it like a Rhino, and Leave it be.

[martininsocal]

ryno- 17 years and counting. so you are one of those home depot refugees. there are a lot of those now...especially among the seasonal ranks, but at least you guys have tony stewart!

martin

If your gonna go, go BIG

[Gabe_Lara]

Forildo, Pat...!

[Kritter]

took me a second to figure out what the hell that word said Gabe.

Kris

"A signature always reveals a man's character -- and sometimes even his name. "

[Ryno]

Martin-

actually I'm only there part time to help save for a house. I'm a finish carpenter in Newport Beach. =) I had alot of fun w/ RRU, but My body couldn't take now what I did then. As far as Hot Head Stewart....he can drive, but he needs to shut his pie hole and drive more. I would love to see a Boxing exhibition between him and RG...He needs a large slice of humble pie, extra ice cream

Ryno

Build it like a Rhino, and Leave it be.

[CoiloverKid]

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lets all be as courteous as this hummer driver.

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[blind655]

the hummer probably just drove off huh lol

A suburban might not be as good as a truck, but it comes damn close with 8 people in it

[Tyson]

Dood, you are behind in the times Yo!!

Its now called UBCS!!!
United Beeter Cars Society - get with it man.


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