World Series of Off-Road Racing !

[klaus]

WORLD SERIES OF OFF-ROAD RACING!
Internal Bulletin for Off-Road Racers, August 13, 2006

• CRANDON, WI -- A new off-road racing sanctioning body has been formed. The organization is named: "WORLD SERIES OF OFF-ROAD RACING".

• Planned headquarters for the new Series is in Crandon, WI. An office is to be located in downtown Crandon separate and distinct from Crandon International Off-Road Raceway. Offices will also be maintained in other geographical areas of the country.

• Crandon was selected as the location due to its status as home to the country's most well-known off-road racing facility and experience. More than 200 off-road race shops are located in Wisconsin and the greater Midwest. As one sponsor commented: "The World Series of Off-Road Racing is a 37-year startup".

• The current mailing address for the WORLD SERIES OF OFF-ROAD RACING is P.O. Box 99, Crandon, WI, 54520.

• The World Series includes off-road racing classes presently referred to as "Pro" and "Sportsman" classes. The addition of new classes will be reviewed.

• "Crandon Classes" are scheduled to be part of the World Series and will race a portion of the 2007 schedule.

• The World Series intends to run a minimum of eight (8) race dates featuring 16 rounds of off-road racing under a "points chase" format in the greater Midwest.

• 14 track locations have contacted or been contacted by the Series. All tracks are currently being evaluated. Four race dates have been signed.

• The World Series is currently exploring national television options and programming. Both Pro and Sportsman racing is being considered.

• Doug Davis, promoter of Crandon Raceway events, is presently serving as Managing General Partner of the Series. Additional staff to be announced.

• Quote: "We feel a tremendous sense of urgency to launch a meaningful Series in the tightest time frame possible," said Davis. "Substantial progress has been made in a very short period (from July 21, 2006). The response to the World Series of Off-Road Racing has been enthusiastic by racers and potential sponsors. It is an exciting time for off-road racing. As you can imagine, our immediate focus is in building the groundwork necessary to establish a successful series, continuing the rich tradition and history of Midwest off-road racing. Further information will be continuously released."

[OldStroppeTeam]

Don't we like CORR ??

[ChuckH]

Exclusive track contracts ?

[sickrick]

Chuckh,
Where does it mention exclusive track contracts?

OldStroppeTeam,
Yes, we do like CORR. Unfortunatley CORR doesn't like us (midwest sportsman racers).

[Ron_Burgandy]

Don't we like CORR ?? Not when corr don't like all the small mom and pop raceing teams located in the midwest that can't afford to go to almighty california.

[OldStroppeTeam]

AHHH, so this is the CART of short course off road racing ?? :-)

[ChuckH]

Chuckh,

Where does it mention exclusive track contracts?


It doesn't, but i have seen this kind of thing before

[y2kbaja]

Ok, who had August 15th in the pool that said when a new series would start in the midwest.
I had August 14th, shoot.
The writing was on the wall about this one.

[Kartman]

AHHH, so this is the CART of short course off road racing ?? :-)

Funny but I would have called it the IRL version.

[hoeker]

i think we will see an outporuing of information about this as the labor day weekend at crandon draws near!

i agree with rick, we love CORR but CORR has forgotten it's racers and it's roots, we will do what we must to keep racing.

[MNotary]

I don't think "CORR" has forgotten anything. They have a plan that doesn't include "full time racers". OOOOOPPPPSSS "part time racers"

Crandon, Bark River, Antigo... They aren't going to let the racing go away.

Scheduling will be the problem.

The only information I need is race dates......

[jeff]

I love short course racing. In my opinion it's the ultimate off-road spectator sport. Desert racing is right up there... but short course racing as a spectator is just plain bitchin'. I remember the Mickey Thompson stadium race days. Ahh, the good ol' days. Thanks aunt Beth! I remember SODA and the Glen Helen races. And where are those series now? Names change but I guess the politics never do. I really wanted to see CORR take the midwest racing to the next level. Television, a west coast race or two, attract some new racers... Instead, it looks they killed off the very supporters that make CORR racing what it is. I haven't attended a CORR race down in Chula Vista yet and don't really care to.

Does anyone know what the racers think of all this? I wonder how this will shake out for the west coast racers that are building new vehicles for the 2007 year. If I was a racer I'd want to compete against the best of the best in a deep field... if the new series takes the majority of the established racers away from CORR, what does that leave us, the fans, with? Where will the Herbst team race? Renezeder? Evan Evans? LeDuc? Greaves? Huseman? Baldwin? Sourapas? Coyne? What are the racers planning on doing? How about the "pit space" that CORR was selling at Crandon this year? Are refunds available?

I am attending the Crandon race in a few weeks and I have a feeling it'll be my last CORR race for some time. That's a shame. It'll be my first and only CORR race of the year. I spent $500 bucks on a roundtrip plane ticket to Rhinelander. And that's flying out of LAX at 12:30am on a Friday morning. That's how good the racing at Crandon is. And if the World Series of Off-Road Racing tells me that 2007 will be just as good I'll do whatever it takes to attend next years race... even if that means saving my $$$ and skipping the local CORR races.

Aloha

[Anubis]

the corr "vision" is to take the sport to the next level and expand the series........ ok... looks good on paper anyway...... but in reality? yer now essentially a west coast series and where exactly are ya gonna expand TO? the only direction is EAST....wouldnt it be easier to expand from somewhere ya can go east, west, and south?.....gee.....how about a series based in the midwest?....expand all around the country? hmmmmmm lemme see.....didnt we HAVE a series like that? i guess this here hillbilly dont have the mental acuity to grasp california logic

[KhaoticRcrs]

I can understand the midwest guys feeling bitter about CORR and the path that it has run. But I think that in JB's defense, He saw the opportunity to revive short course racing on the west side of the country. Something that we have been missing for a very long time. I suggest, for those of us that want CORR to succeed, to go to races and tell your friends about it. Seeing a race in person is as exciting as all H*ll. There is nothing like the excitement of the Pro classes of todays CORR races. I loved the MT stadium races back in the day. But I think todays CORR classes are even more exciting. The track is bigger and the speeds are faster. I hope the westside crowd can support CORR through all of this.

[RacerX]

This new series states they are in the works of getting a tv deal. Corr doesnt have that this year. If the new series gets a tv deal, sponsors are going to want there trucks racing the new series with tv exposure.

[klaus]

CORR has a TV deal for 2006, but the first show has not aired yet.
They will be on SPEED Chl just like last year.

[twillis]

Television is the future of this sport, and NETWORK TELEVISION is the king.
Whoever gets more airtime will win the majority of sponsorship dollars available. The gauntlet has been thrown down, and now it's time for the Baldwin family to respond. It's going to take a huge amount of resources and an experienced, committed staff to step up and become the NASCAR of offroad, but they could do it.


this is gonna get interesting.

[Volkspower Racing]

How about the "pit space" that CORR was selling at Crandon this year? Are refunds available?

I believe the pit space is a Crandon thing, not Corr. We are getting ready to head back east for the Labor Day race and we have to get our pit spaces through Crandon.

Other than that, Im with Sean, both myself and my family are having a blast doing the Corr races. I use to have to beg my family to go to a desert race, now my wife is pissed because she cant go to Crandon. I hope the series split doesnt hurt racing much, but I'm pretty sure it wont affect the Sportsman series much cents only 3 cars that race out west come from back east. Hopfully they can do somthing in the years to come where we can have an end of the year showdown with the east vs. west. As far as the Pro side goes, cant comment on somthing I dont know much about and probable will never be able to afford to do.

[hoeker]

off road racing at crandon, bark river, and the rest of the midwest will continue to flourish, the question is if jim wants CORR involved???

[MNotary]

Sure CORR will be there. The PRO's just have to be more "PRO" now and do alot more races than 8 (and more trips out west).

[ErikShallbetter]

Sure CORR will be there. The PRO's just have to be more "PRO" now and do alot more races than 8 (and more trips out west).

Thats challenging enough as is even if your already "pro" and makes it even harder if you ever wanted to step up from sportsman to pro and your from the midwest.

I'm sure racing here will continue, as tracks are not just going to shut down because CORR is moving out west. It is just frusturating to hear all about the expansion of the sport and all the great things planned only to find out those plans consist of moving the series away from its roots.

[PMAZ7]

So CORR IS moving out west? They aren't staying in the midwest AND CA? Is this an actual division (split) of the sport? Has anything been officially announced by CORR? I'm confused...:confused:

[Anubis]

what is really boils down to is the majority of the races in 07 are gonna be in california....and from what i was told bark river and crandon hadta fight just to get a race there at all.....corr is now a california based series w/ the majority of the races there w/ a select few anywhere else.... which really means anyone w/ a sponsorship budget less than 200K for the 07 season cannot afford to be part of jb's grand vision....check the press release... theres a new series being formed in the midwest w/ races in new york and topeka kansas....in my opinion its unfortunate but necessary since most corr teams right now cannot afford to run to california and back 6 times next year.

[Brandon_Charley]

From waht I'm reading it doesn't sound like that bad of an idea starting a new series. The smart thing to do would be for them to keep an affiliation with each other and the same name, just call it East and West like Nascar does, let the Pros run all over the country to compete for the championship while the sportsman trucks don't have to leave the region unless its for some end of the year championship like SCCA does.

[MNotary]

Thats challenging enough as is even if your already "pro" and makes it even harder if you ever wanted to step up from sportsman to pro and your from the midwest.

I'm sure racing here will continue, as tracks are not just going to shut down because CORR is moving out west. It is just frusturating to hear all about the expansion of the sport and all the great things planned only to find out those plans consist of moving the series away from its roots.

The only thing moving away is more races somewhere you couldn't race at if you could get there.

You know if none of the "cool guys" that were put into trucks at CV couldn't put a deal together, how are any sportsmen going to do it. Look at Rob Mac, he would be there if he could... I can't believe he is asking for so much just to drive that he couldn't put a truck together (that he already has).

Forget CORR, just like SODA was left behind. You want to race, race in the fastest class you can afford, and go to every race you can get to. Someone said they are waiting out the season to see what happens... waiting on what???? There were races this year.

If your sponsor doesn't pony up because there is no TV, your sponsor doesn't read the JJ reports. You get pennys on your thousands. The sponsor is out for other reasons...

[L&SMotorsports]

I think that this is a good thing for the sport, but only if the series can figure a way to co-exist.

I think using a format that NHRA uses for all their sportsman classes would work good. Basically, the NHRA is divided up into 7 divisions across the county. Each class has to participate in 5 divisional races and 3 national events. Points are accumilated in all divisions, and a national champion is crowned, along with champions in each division. There are points battles amongst competitors that never race against eachother all year, but it works well for the sportsman classes.

If each organization divides their schedules up into national and divisional point races, then it would pay to run both series.

Just my 2 cents. Doesn't really help car counts, but should allow both series to operate on their own, yet draw cars from both series.

Thanks for reading

[HUBBARD]

From waht I'm reading it doesn't sound like that bad of an idea starting a new series. The smart thing to do would be for them to keep an affiliation with each other and the same name, just call it East and West like Nascar does, let the Pros run all over the country to compete for the championship while the sportsman trucks don't have to leave the region unless its for some end of the year championship like SCCA does.
I would have to agree but because off the plan for 2007 there will now be allot more racers from the west ( inside info) which is good but at the same time they're losing some from the mid west. I feel Corr coming to cali was the best thing it could have done but don't get me wrong I don't think they should bring it all here. Now we have races in Ca, Nv, Mo, and Wi. I think the big problem is every one is speculating on what the bigger picture is or may be. Now remember this is business do you think JB spent a crap load of $$$$ just so you could come play in his sand box? He's a business man not a idiot. So that said let me tell you my speculation. Remember when JB BOUGHT the series he said he wanted to get it as big as NASCAR not I want a series that a bunch people can come have fun running what you brung. That means people with big $$ that can afford to travel which is nescery for the series to grow to that extent. its unfortunate that we cant all afford 2 do what we want. sorry to say but all the sportsmen classes were just time filler they aren't part of the bigger picture. i am glad that another series is starting I just hope the two don't try to fight over racers instead work together so every one has a place to race. I know that more people voted for CO and TX but I think NV is a better place (bigger fan base) . I am sure JB doesn't just pull a location out of his hat I bet he spent a bunch of $$ to have it researched to find the best locations maybe Az should be next then it shall start to spread. I don't think all the racing should be in anyone place nor jump around like to FL all the sudden that would be a waist of time. If Corr would have went to Co or TX it would have been just like Topeka Ka, racers only in the stands. Just a few of my thoughts and feeling's take them for what you want.

[Ron_Burgandy]

I am sure JB doesn't just pull a location out of his hat I bet he spent a bunch of $$ to have it researched to find the best locations maybe Az should be next then it shall start to spread.

They'd have to ship in the dirt from WI!!!

[napaman]

They'd have to ship in the dirt from WI!!!

No I think the dirt in AZ is bad enough already.

[Brandon_Charley]

Creating or modifying a series to disclude low budget racers would in effect castrate the series, if their are no sportsman or enthusiast classes what is going to happen when people throw in the towel? Who wants to watch a series that is just a bunch of dynasties battling it out?

I didn't really know about CORR as a whole coming to CA until this thread, but I think its cool, from what I understand of how CORR classes/rules work a Pro4 seems like a fun thing to build after we've conquered the dez :p

[pappawheely]

Aside from all the hurt feelings on the corr changes which I understand, I feel the more racing the better. Jim Baldwin wants to take corr in a different direction. The mere fact that someone else is ready and able to create a new series with tracks and willing racers on short notice means that dirt racing is alive and well. I think this is great news and just what is needed to build dirt racing to the highest level. :)

[MNotary]

[QUOTE=Cracka Racing;201867]Creating or modifying a series to disclude low budget racers would in effect castrate the series, if their are no sportsman or enthusiast classes what is going to happen when people throw in the towel? Who wants to watch a series that is just a bunch of dynasties battling it out?

CORR can pick-up "local" sportsmen to fill the show at most places in the US. Maybe change the show to run twice a day.

"Dynasties" and the couple of "sponsored" guys are pretty fun to watch.

[offroadracer]

come on 5-1600:rolleyes:

[bcampbell04]

i think we will see an outporuing of information about this as the labor day weekend at crandon draws near!

i agree with rick, we love CORR but CORR has forgotten it's racers and it's roots, we will do what we must to keep racing.

i agree with you..its cool to see short course back in california, but i think there should only be like 2 races there a year, and keep all the old races back east.

[JGOLDEN]

You guys are crazy!!!
We're on the verge of having a short course offroad series in our own backyard (CORR)...and you're saying you don't want here???
My vote - 8 weekends, 16 races, 4 locations. All on the WestCoast. Let's create our own Crandon. And at the sametime support the new East Coast Series if you have the time and money to travel.

Go put together a shortcourse car and let's race!!!!

jg

[EQuin]

I only wish we could have at least one race here in Texas. Come on, throw us a bone down here already!

[hoeker]

You guys are crazy!!!
We're on the verge of having a short course offroad series in our own backyard (CORR)...and you're saying you don't want here???
My vote - 8 weekends, 16 races, 4 locations. All on the WestCoast. Let's create our own Crandon. And at the sametime support the new East Coast Series if you have the time and money to travel.

Go put together a shortcourse car and let's race!!!!

jg


good luck with that!

[MNotary]

good luck with that!


ALL that needs to be done is get a decent schedule worked out and it would work.

Start in Cal., Nevada, Colorado, Wisconsin all summer, then more races on the way back west to end in California.

You can fly anywhere in the US for $200. Leave your stuff at the next race.

[hoeker]

You can fly anywhere in the US for $200. Leave your stuff at the next race.

not sure what rock you live under but you can't fly anywhere for that anymore. i've been looking into sema and the last chula vista and it's 320 to 360 a person.

my good luck was refering to creating a "crandon" on the west coast. jim's been putting on a great show, but it's a far cry from crandon.

[MNotary]

not sure what rock you live under but you can't fly anywhere for that anymore. i've been looking into sema and the last chula vista and it's 320 to 360 a person.

my good luck was refering to creating a "crandon" on the west coast. jim's been putting on a great show, but it's a far cry from crandon.


Yea, under my rock it says 275 to San Diego and 240 to Vegas from Milwaukee. Orlando to San Diego/Milwaukee/LA is 200.

Crandon wasn't built in a day. Riverside wasn't built in a day. MTEG was built in a day. If CORR gets the "show" figured out, it should be good times.....

Your negativity on the new CORR is obvious. Not many people can afford to run pro, those that can make all the races, those that can't stay in Wisconsin. Wisconsin will be great next year, just like it has been every year.

How has the lack of TV affected your sponsorship money?

[JGOLDEN]

Hoeker - Whats up with the negativity?

jg

[younggunracer]

Yea sall this comin, I hope CORR dosent do away with all mid-west races that would totally suck.

[hoeker]

Yea, under my rock it says 275 to San Diego and 240 to Vegas from Milwaukee. Orlando to San Diego/Milwaukee/LA is 200.

Crandon wasn't built in a day. Riverside wasn't built in a day. MTEG was built in a day. If CORR gets the "show" figured out, it should be good times.....

Your negativity on the new CORR is obvious. Not many people can afford to run pro, those that can make all the races, those that can't stay in Wisconsin. Wisconsin will be great next year, just like it has been every year.

How has the lack of TV affected your sponsorship money?

you cannot fly anywhere for 200 anymore, multiply 300 x 6 or 7 for a decent crew!!

i gave jim the benefit of the doubt for a long time, he's got some great ideas but he doesn't care about the racers that built the series he bought. i'm all about jim's corr if he'd give us the tools to sell it. our sponsors would rather pay us to race than drive and fly across the country 6 times next year.

YOU ASK ABOUT MONEY? JIM BALDWIN COST ME AT LEAST 30K IN SPONSORSHIP MONEY THIS YEAR. it cost me the same amount to race plus i invested 200k in a new hauler to run california 4 times in 07. not 6 or 8!!

don't say i have an obvious negativity about the new CORR with knowing the real story. i was more positive than most until jim stuck a knife in my program. Racing next year in wisconsin will be great, with or without jim. Short course racing in CA will be pretty good next year thanks to jim if he can keep some midwest racers. if he can't the west coast show will suffer.

[HotRod82]

Being in socal I was stoked to see CORR come out here. I raced a few times last year in PL and totally got hooked and I plan to be back out there in 07. I can tell you first hand that the mid west venues are waaaay better from a racing standpoint. The tracks (and the dirt) rule. We have to ask ourselves...if everyone really wants to see this short course racing so badly here in socal, then why were there only 3400 people at the last CV race?? Also, where are we going to race out here?? There simply is no place like the old riverside raceway to put on a show that will be anywhere near what crandon is. I hope Jim Baldwin knows what he is doing.........Even though I live in SD I'm leaning towards the new seriers next year.

[ErikShallbetter]

Was there a reason for not keeping all of our CORR series here during the summer and running additional races out in california once the snow flies? Too hard to split up points maybe?

[MNotary]

you cannot fly anywhere for 200 anymore, multiply 300 x 6 or 7 for a decent crew!!

i gave jim the benefit of the doubt for a long time, he's got some great ideas but he doesn't care about the racers that built the series he bought. i'm all about jim's corr if he'd give us the tools to sell it. our sponsors would rather pay us to race than drive and fly across the country 6 times next year.

YOU ASK ABOUT MONEY? JIM BALDWIN COST ME AT LEAST 30K IN SPONSORSHIP MONEY THIS YEAR. it cost me the same amount to race plus i invested 200k in a new hauler to run california 4 times in 07. not 6 or 8!!

don't say i have an obvious negativity about the new CORR with knowing the real story. i was more positive than most until jim stuck a knife in my program. Racing next year in wisconsin will be great, with or without jim. Short course racing in CA will be pretty good next year thanks to jim if he can keep some midwest racers. if he can't the west coast show will suffer.

Yea, it is $280 out of Milwaukee to San Diego. $200 out of Chicago. Midwest Express. Southwest, Orlando Fl. to San Diego for $198, Midwest is $210 to Milwaukee.

You need 6 guys to crew your truck??? I thought your prep was better than that!!!

Give you the "tools to sell it"??? If you don't KNOW someone or ARE someone (THIS IS KEY), you won't be able to play (no matter how much you want to). If someone as good as Macachren is sitting out, why would "you" think that someone is going to throw a load of money at "you". Your sponsors bailed because of lack of TV? That isn't the best of excuses. Look at the reports... TV returns are pennies on the dollar.

Your "sponsors" want you at the track, not on TV, and the best bang for their buck is Wisconsin. If they want real TV with the money you need for the "new" CORR.... they'll spend it on a Busch Car.

The best I think Jim could do... try for Sprint Car type shows (not that quantity, 3 weeks out of 4 maybe). Most 1/2 mile or bigger tracks with a open infield would be a decent track.

The new CORR doesn't need all the smaller classes (I don't think offroad needs "all' those classes anyways). Maybe a filler or 2...

I think we agree on two things though... Wisconsin will always be great (meaning fast guys and big fields). The new CORR has a tough job in front of them.

Other stuff...
The rules are not helping
There are alot of racers in the Southwest

[hoeker]

i can see why you dont race anymore. yes i absolutely lost the money because of TV. that's what nationwide sponsors want, nationwide exposure.

as a racer and advertiser we need tools to sell our program, jim had the TV deal for this year FINALIZED at the first chula vista event. they never officially told us what it was until the friday before this last bark river race; sorry, but that's too late to sell a program for this year and time is very short for next year. with out this tool racers cannot secure funding. if all jim wants is a millionair club he can keep up his current ways, if he wants a successful race series he needs to give us the tools we need to secure funding. they finally did this at the last bark river, i hope it's not too late for 2007!

If they want real TV with the money you need for the "new" CORR.... they'll spend it on a Busch Car.
this is actually a very correct statement, but the old CORR had a great ROI for TV!!!!!!!

[sickrick]

I have seen the Joyce Julius reports for CORR and I thought that the Return on Investment was great and would be a big selling point to sponsors.

[MNotary]

i can see why you dont race anymore. yes i absolutely lost the money because of TV. that's what nationwide sponsors want, nationwide exposure.

as a racer and advertiser we need tools to sell our program, jim had the TV deal for this year FINALIZED at the first chula vista event. they never officially told us what it was until the friday before this last bark river race; sorry, but that's too late to sell a program for this year and time is very short for next year. with out this tool racers cannot secure funding. if all jim wants is a millionair club he can keep up his current ways, if he wants a successful race series he needs to give us the tools we need to secure funding. they finally did this at the last bark river, i hope it's not too late for 2007!


this is actually a very correct statement, but the old CORR had a great ROI for TV!!!!!!!

Yes, running around at the back of the front pack, you wouldn't know I was there this year. I also did some testing/racing down here before I hauled up there.

I know why I don't want to race anymore,... I am not THAT good (and the wrenching is getting old). Even if I was THAT good, the possibility of full sponsorship is NONE. Even with contacts, it just isn't there. Even if I WAS running 1/2, no sponsor is interested.

When you say tools, you mean a race and TV schedule before the end of the year? I still find it hard to believe that a sponsor would pull out because of no TV. What does the JJ reports from last year show for your Skyjacker sticker? Maybe 12K.. How much for the in car?

Do your self a favor, forget CORR. Maybe CORR will show up somewhere close to Wisconsin...... Or get Skyjacker to throw you a bone.

Jim wants the big dollar teams... so....it will be successful... you can't say P4/P2 isn't entertainment.

[BAPerf]

Guys, take the personal attacks to PM's or e-mail. This isn't a good place to air dirty laundry...

[hoeker]

i'm done with this post.

on-board cameras used to be a 9:1 ROI, done deal

and FWIW, i never said skyjacker. nobody could ask for a better supporter, with or without TV.

i said jim cost me 30k, that is fact.

jim has big dreams, i believed him to the tune of 200k, my bad i guess.

[MNotary]

Guys, take the personal attacks to PM's or e-mail. This isn't a good place to air dirty laundry...


What personal attacks........???????

It's a brisk conversation.......

[HotRod82]

MNotary what are you talking about? You have it backwards...fans at the race are SECONDARY TO TELEVISION. Want proof? Look at the NHRA...absolutely HUGE TV contracts, many full time teams with huge multi million dollar budgets. Fan attendance is dismal, the show NEVER sells out and yet the sponsors still write the big checks. The reason? T E L E V I S I O N. 30K fans at a race? big deal.....the lowest of TV ratings still draws 1.5 MILLION viewers.

[napaman]

[/QUOTE] i believed him to the tune of 200k, my bad i guess.[/QUOTE]

Jim didn't tell you to spend 200k. You made the decision to spend 200k on a sport that you are totally committed to. Now suck it up and get your truck and put it truck on the track. All everybody has heard the last month from you is jim this and jim that. It's old already. I am very impressed at how quik the midwest reacted to the news of corr moving west and you guys started the world series of off-road racing. In a matter of weeks you guys did something jim couldn't do. Now take that accomplishment and promote it. Quit b*tching about what jim did!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:)

[MNotary]

MNotary what are you talking about? You have it backwards...fans at the race are SECONDARY TO TELEVISION. Want proof? Look at the NHRA...absolutely HUGE TV contracts, many full time teams with huge multi million dollar budgets. Fan attendance is dismal, the show NEVER sells out and yet the sponsors still write the big checks. The reason? T E L E V I S I O N. 30K fans at a race? big deal.....the lowest of TV ratings still draws 1.5 MILLION viewers.


You can't compare NHRA to off-road. There are alot more drag racers than off-road racers. You can't even compare it to Sprint Cars. Hard to believe the Outlaws don't have TV. I see $300K teams getting $2K a weekend return (the funny thing is 10K ,restricted classes, teams are getting the same return). Pennies on the dollar. It has been a while since I looked at a JJ report, but I can't believe it has changed that much. 9 to 1... that seems????

Ross, I was not talking about Skyjacker and the loss of TV. Skyjacker seems very committed, from what I can tell (look at all the trucks they help). I know another person that said they lost out because of no TV. Like I said, I think a sponsor wanted out for other reasons, no TV just seems easiest.

If there is a race, go race.... just race the fastest class you can afford.... I wonder how much Greaves wants for his P4 at the end of the year????????

[FlyHiFlyLo7]

Great! another series to thin the public's focus even more....

Off Road was never better when there was one unified Desert series (Score/HRDA) And one stadium series (MTEG)

What a Joke!

[FrankHahn]

CORR 2006 TV will be better than ever. Starting this November all you need to remember is "Sat or Sun - Prime time - Speed Channel". You won't need to Tivo this year's CORR racing. JJ reports will probably be at record highs.

TV production will be better than ever. The new production team is awesome! Production quality of CORR racing will be similar to Sunday NFL and NASCAR, IMHO.

Ross I feel for you. But you need to remember for years and years California Drivers have filled the Crandon / Bark River Pro4 & Pro 2 starting line. No doubt the sport is growing. Lately it seems every week we hear another Pro class truck is built. Where they race is TBD.

HotRod82: your right on! It's great TV & Sponsors to grow the sport. But it takes Driver Personalities and Fan support to make good TV.

Try to mimic NASCAR's steps, they seem successful.

[HotRod82]

MNotary call CORR and get the newest JJ reports. I was nowhere near the front and I still managed to get thousands of dollars worth of exposure. Hord and Kinkaid get 150-200K worth of exposure (according to JJ) PER RACE. Why else would Nissan sign Hord? Just to impress 5 or 10 thousand fans in CV or Bark River? No way! They signed him to get their fronteir on TV so MILLIONS could see it . Get the new reports because I think you will be surprised at the dollar amounts on there.

[hoeker]

CORR 2006 TV will be better than ever. Starting this November all you need to remember is "Sat or Sun - Prime time - Speed Channel". You won't need to Tivo this year's CORR racing. JJ reports will probably be at record highs.

TV production will be better than ever. The new production team is awesome! Production quality of CORR racing will be similar to Sunday NFL and NASCAR, IMHO.

Ross I feel for you. But you need to remember for years and years California Drivers have filled the Crandon / Bark River Pro4 & Pro 2 starting line. No doubt the sport is growing. Lately it seems every week we hear another Pro class truck is built. Where they race is TBD.

HotRod82: your right on! It's great TV & Sponsors to grow the sport. But it takes Driver Personalities and Fan support to make good TV.

Try to mimic NASCAR's steps, they seem successful.

FWIW:
i'm all about 2 series, winter in ca and summer months in the midwest. 2 points series with an east meets west challenge in the middle. the teams that can afford to can run both, those that want to race within a reasonable distance can run for points close to home.

frank, those teams knew what they were getting into when they joined. they didn't have someone come in and destroy a 7 year investment of time and money. 4 races in ca was alot to ask but somewhat possible. now until CORR generates ACTUAL tv ratings the sponsorship money will not be available for teams to run jim's dream. it's already too late for 07 and the course is set. the millionairs will race and the quality teams that work their ***** off for their sponsors will not because the sponsors can't justify the additional travel expenses.

[Anubis]

i normally dont agree w/ hoeker but im gonna back him this time.....what we have here is an organization that is goin wherever its going and the owner doesnt appear to care what happens to the current drivers because the guys who are building trucks to replace the drivers CORR has now dont NEED sponsors to race...... somewhere theres a quote from porter bout them building 2 pro2s, a pro lite and then just BUYING a second pro lite..the quote was "its a hobby".....a freakin HOBBY....:eek: jb and alex told us in the sponsor meeting that if a sponsor wont pony up 100K or more..... tell em no thanks.....:eek: :eek: :eek: wtf is THAT???that shows ya right there whats goin on.... only guys who can pass up 20K to 60K sponsorship deals are the guys who have a few million in persoanl money and already have a yacht, private jet, and a chopper or 2.....well most of us midwest guys dont have any of that and we depend on the local/regional sponsors to help us make it to the races.....except now the "local" races are all in california....yah i know.... thats life
point made....us midwest guys got the message loud and clear...thats my .02 and all youll hear outta me on this subject

[HotRod82]

Anubis...most of us out here don't have the millions either, so we are in the same boat. I'm not bailing on CORR by any means but There has to be some middle ground to be had.

[Anubis]

exactly my point.....im in agreement w/ you 82... middle ground..... but there isnt going to be any middle ground....... its a rich boys club now......

[MikesF1Fiddy]

I seriously think the future of short course is on the west coast. No offense to anyone but its where the money is. I think CORR will survive just fine and with the additions of the new Prerunner type desert class it will attract a younger crowd who already identify with local desert racing here in southern california. I cant wait to see where JB finds new venues out here.

[mudhound72]

So what is the latest word on this :D

[hoeker]

So what is the latest word on this :D

check out the new CORR schedule. corr is now officially California Off Road Racing!

when the world series announces it's schedule we will actually have contracts and tracks to race on, not sure what jim's got???

[napaman]

Hey Hocker did you guys get your schedule together yet? I was curious about the crandon date. Is that going to be a joint race between california off road and wsor?
Are you guys getting along yet or still not speaking.

[hoeker]

jim has not discussed the fall weekend with the WSORR or crandon track. they have talked about the june weekend that is not on the schedule??? The WSORR is working on contracts with tracks, when the contracts are signed the schedule will be released. anybody from anywhere is welcome to race WSORR events but at this point joint points races don't look good.

[Volkspower Racing]

jim has not discussed the fall weekend with the WSORR or crandon track. they have talked about the june weekend that is not on the schedule??? The WSORR is working on contracts with tracks, when the contracts are signed the schedule will be released. anybody from anywhere is welcome to race WSORR events but at this point joint points races don't look good.

Doesnt seem like a good Idea not to work toghter, guess this will be like cart and IRL, only a few vehicles at each event in the pro class. At least my class should have a good turnout. Oh well, need to go get another hit out of the trust fund!

[hoeker]

2007 tentative WSORR schedule:

may 12,13
may 26, 27
june 9,10
june 23-24 crandon
july 14,15
july 28,29 pro only (i understand sporty-2 should be renamed and considered a "pro" class with TV !)
august 11,12
august 31-sept 2

banquet, sat nov 8th, alternate sept 15 (i hope they stay away from SEMA)

discussions are ongoing for a combined date with CORR for the june 23 weekend at crandon.

[Scrapiron]

Are the rules the same or are they going to change them?

[mudhound72]

Any word on locations :D