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Curtis Guise
February 10th, 2006, 19:05
<html> <head> <title>Curtis Guise T100 rear suspension</title> <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1"> </head> <table width="75%" border="0"> <tr> <td colspan="3"> <div align="center"><b><font face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">Rear Suspension</font></b></div> </td> </tr> <tr> <td width="44%">&nbsp;</td> <td width="27%">&nbsp;</td> <td width="29%">&nbsp;</td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="3"> <p><font face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">Before starting the rear cage I built the rear suspension components so I could figure out where to cut the stock frame off. The lower control arms for the 4-link were built from chromolly 1/8&quot; plate and 1-3/4&quot; tubes that were evenly spaced the full length of the arms. I used 1-1/4&quot; heims on each end and the threaded sleave connects to the 1-3/4&quot; tube on the inside of the arm at each end. TIG welding was by Josh of Johnson Bicycles in Antioch, CA. The upper links are 1-1/2&quot; x .120 4130 with 7/8&quot; FK heims at each end.</font></p> <p><font face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">To prevent the lower arms from twisting and destroying the shocks I replaced the lower heims in the shock mounts with custom delrin bushings that I made on the lathe. This shock mounting method and lower arm design has been used for years by Mark Newhan and Stewarts Raceworks but the design was originally conceived by Jon Nelson in 1993 while building &quot;Arnold&quot;. Jon's arms had allot more shape to them and all the pieces were cut with a band saw. Mark's reason for building them the way his (and mine) are is to cut fabrication time and with the straight cuts you can have the pieces easily sheared to size.</font></p> </td> </tr> <tr> <td width="44%" height="122"> <p align="center"><a href="http://race-dezert.com/forum/attachments/project/curtis/rearsuspension/rear1.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://race-dezert.com/forum/attachments/project/curtis/rearsuspension/rear1s.jpg" width="250" height="188" border="0"></a></p> </td> <td width="27%"><a href="http://race-dezert.com/forum/attachments/project/curtis/rearsuspension/rear2.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://race-dezert.com/forum/attachments/project/curtis/rearsuspension/rear2s.jpg" width="250" height="188" border="0"></a></td> <td width="29%"><a href="http://race-dezert.com/forum/attachments/project/curtis/rearsuspension/rear3.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://race-dezert.com/forum/attachments/project/curtis/rearsuspension/rear3s.jpg" width="250" height="188" border="0"></a></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="44%">&nbsp;</td> <td width="27%">&nbsp;</td> <td width="29%">&nbsp;</td> </tr> <tr> <td width="44%">&nbsp;</td> <td width="27%">&nbsp;</td> <td width="29%">&nbsp;</td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="3"> <p><font face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">The <a href="http://www.1speedway.com/" target="_blank">Speedway Engineering</a> 35 spline full floating 9&quot; (purchased through <a href="http://www.camburg.com" target="_blank">Camburg</a>) needed gusseting and mounts for the suspension. I clamped the housing to a large piece of I beam we had laying around before welding to it.</font></p> </td> </tr> <tr> <td width="44%" height="182"> <p align="center"><a href="http://race-dezert.com/forum/attachments/project/curtis/rearsuspension/rear4.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://race-dezert.com/forum/attachments/project/curtis/rearsuspension/rear4s.jpg" width="250" height="188" border="0"></a></p> </td> <td width="27%" height="182"><a href="http://race-dezert.com/forum/attachments/project/curtis/rearsuspension/rear5.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://race-dezert.com/forum/attachments/project/curtis/rearsuspension/rear5s.jpg" width="250" height="188" border="0"></a></td> <td width="29%" height="182"> <p align="center"><a href="http://race-dezert.com/forum/attachments/project/curtis/rearsuspension/rear4a.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://race-dezert.com/forum/attachments/project/curtis/rearsuspension/rear4as.jpg" width="250" height="188" border="0"></a></p> </td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="3"> <div align="center"></div> </td> </tr> <tr> <td width="44%">&nbsp;</td> <td width="27%">&nbsp;</td> <td width="29%">&nbsp;</td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="3"> <p><font face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">I used 1/4&quot; chromolly plate to make the upper shock mounts. I used a torch to heat it up enough to put the bend in the plate. The upper section above the shock mounts was made from 1/8&quot; plate. It took allot of time to make all of the pieces fit right.</font><font face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"></font></p> </td> </tr> <tr> <td width="44%"> <div align="center"><a href="http://race-dezert.com/forum/attachments/project/curtis/rearsuspension/rear6.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://race-dezert.com/forum/attachments/project/curtis/rearsuspension/rear6s.jpg" width="250" height="188" border="0"></a></div> </td> <td width="27%"><a href="http://race-dezert.com/forum/attachments/project/curtis/rearsuspension/rear7.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://race-dezert.com/forum/attachments/project/curtis/rearsuspension/rear7s.jpg" width="250" height="188" border="0"></a></td> <td width="29%"> <div align="center"><a href="http://race-dezert.com/forum/attachments/project/curtis/rearsuspension/rear8.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://race-dezert.com/forum/attachments/project/curtis/rearsuspension/rear8s.jpg" width="250" height="188" border="0"></a></div> </td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="3" height="11"> <p align="center">&nbsp;</p> </td> </tr> <tr> <td width="44%">&nbsp;</td> <td width="27%">&nbsp;</td> <td width="29%">&nbsp;</td> </tr> <tr> <td width="44%"><a href="http://race-dezert.com/forum/attachments/project/curtis/rearsuspension/rear9.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://race-dezert.com/forum/attachments/project/curtis/rearsuspension/rear9s.jpg" width="250" height="188" border="0"></a></td> <td> <p><a href="http://race-dezert.com/forum/attachments/project/curtis/rearsuspension/rear10.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://race-dezert.com/forum/attachments/project/curtis/rearsuspension/rear10s.jpg" width="250" height="188" border="0"></a></p> </td> <td> <p><font face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">4&quot; bump stops and a Speedway Engineering sway bar. 1-1/4&quot; .188 wall. I turned out delrin bushings on the lathe for the sway bar and used aluminum arms from Speedway. The splines stripped out at the 1000 in November so we built custom 4130 arms. I will post pics of those once they are installed. Limit straps are from <a href="http://www.offroadwarehouse.com">Offroad Warehouse</a>.</font></p> </td> </tr> <tr> <td width="44%">&nbsp;</td> <td width="27%">&nbsp;</td> <td width="29%">&nbsp;</td> </tr> <tr> <td width="44%">&nbsp;</td> <td width="27%">&nbsp;</td> <td width="29%">&nbsp;</td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="3"> <div align="center"><font face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">Pictures of the finish rear suspension. 25&quot; of travel.</font></div> </td> </tr> <tr> <td width="44%"> <div align="center"><a href="http://race-dezert.com/forum/attachments/project/curtis/rearsuspension/rear12.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://race-dezert.com/forum/attachments/project/curtis/rearsuspension/rear12s.jpg" width="250" height="188" border="0"></a></div> </td> <td width="27%"><a href="http://race-dezert.com/forum/attachments/project/curtis/rearsuspension/rear13.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://race-dezert.com/forum/attachments/project/curtis/rearsuspension/rear13s.jpg" width="250" height="188" border="0"></a></td> <td width="29%"> <div align="center"><a href="http://race-dezert.com/forum/attachments/project/curtis/rearsuspension/rear14.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://race-dezert.com/forum/attachments/project/curtis/rearsuspension/rear14s.jpg" width="250" height="188" border="0"></a></div> </td> </tr> <tr> <td width="44%"> <div align="center"><a href="http://race-dezert.com/forum/attachments/project/curtis/rearsuspension/rear15.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://race-dezert.com/forum/attachments/project/curtis/rearsuspension/rear15s.jpg" width="250" height="188" border="0"></a></div> </td> <td width="27%"><a href="http://race-dezert.com/forum/attachments/project/curtis/rearsuspension/rear16.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://race-dezert.com/forum/attachments/project/curtis/rearsuspension/rear16s.jpg" width="250" height="188" border="0"></a></td> <td width="29%"> <div align="center"><a href="http://race-dezert.com/forum/attachments/project/curtis/rearsuspension/rear17.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://race-dezert.com/forum/attachments/project/curtis/rearsuspension/rear17s.jpg" width="250" height="188" border="0"></a></div> </td> </tr> <tr> <td width="44%">&nbsp;</td> <td width="27%">&nbsp;</td> <td width="29%">&nbsp;</td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="3"> <div align="center"></div> </td> </tr> <tr> <td width="44%">&nbsp;</td> <td width="27%">&nbsp;</td> <td width="29%">&nbsp;</td> </tr> <tr> <td width="44%"> <div align="center"></div> </td> <td width="27%">&nbsp;</td> <td width="29%"> <div align="center"></div> </td> </tr> </table>



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Saleen F-150
September 26th, 2006, 17:16
NOt the cleanest but Real nice man.I guess that was the point right?Simplicity?What do the uppers look like??Good job man!

Curtis Guise
October 3rd, 2006, 18:45
Simple and functional is what I was shooting for. Also a truck that not many people build. I think the only thing holding it back is the lack of a V8 in it... I've had it out many times but the big test was a 10 day prerun / Locos Mocos trip for the 1000 last November and it did great.

Upper links for the rear? They are just straight tubes with 7/8 heims. I still need to post everthing for the front of the truck. I got busy and haven't worked on this for awhile. I'll try to post more soon.

There is a 90% chance I will have the t100 at the Expo this weekend at our outdoor display spot. I wanted to have it painted and interior in by now but that didn't happen... check it out in person if you get a chance.

JJernigan282
October 5th, 2006, 13:52
looks real nice.... Craig Stewart built are trailing arms just like that 5 years ago for our 7 truck and have not found one crack in them after almost 30 races....they have held up really really well..

skinny
October 10th, 2006, 16:26
so you replaced the heims in the shock eye whith custom made delrin bushings???...or you replaced one of the heims in your trailing arm with a delrin bushing???.......

i think you are saying you replaced the shock heim...if so... is this the same way that craig stewart and jon nelson did it......and if so did this take care of the arm flop.....
thanks in advance
adam

Curtis Guise
November 7th, 2006, 16:42
so you replaced the heims in the shock eye whith custom made delrin bushings???...or you replaced one of the heims in your trailing arm with a delrin bushing???.......

i think you are saying you replaced the shock heim...if so... is this the same way that craig stewart and jon nelson did it......and if so did this take care of the arm flop.....
thanks in advance
adam

yes the lower shock heim was replaced on all four shocks in the rear. That's what stops the arm flop.

partybarge_pilot
November 7th, 2006, 22:52
Hey, what did you ever end up doing about the sway bar arms?

Curtis Guise
November 7th, 2006, 23:45
Hey, what did you ever end up doing about the sway bar arms?

Thanks for the reminder, I forgot to post about that.

I found some of the splined collars at Kartek that Sway-A-Way used to make. Then we used some chromolly rectangle tube and made new arms.

Here are some pics of the old ones and the new ones.

runningbaja
June 2nd, 2007, 11:04
the bottom two links look nice i was wondering what wall tubing it was

Curtis Guise
August 1st, 2007, 01:56
Sorry for the late reply. The lower links for the suspension are made from 1/8" chromolly plate and were TIG welded then powder coated.